Party Poker Lobby Riggedness

Basically PartyPoker has begun segregating players according to winrates. They have some mechanism in their lobby that is preventing winning players to see losing ones , in other words winning regs can't see complete player pool. IDK what they are thinking but if it's true this is a clear case of discrimination

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Has anyone noticed something weird about PartyPoker lately?

Something similar used to happen to me when I played on ongame, during the night, tables would usually disappear from the lobby at around the same time every night as I remember. Only way i noticed this was when I could only see 3 active tables when I was playing 6 myself :/

Don't play there much anymore so don't know if it's still going on.

Seems like a really good idea. I can see the point of it.

Kinda kills bumhunting too, which is great.

What? How can you call that a good thing even if you hate bumhunters.

On March 01 2013 06:29 DustySwedeDude wrote: Seems like a really good idea. I can see the point of it. Kinda kills bumhunting too, which is great.

i can only see this benefiting fish, the regs will go play pokerstars instead, or they will buy fish accounts/ or make new accounts and play in fish only games.

Seems really dumb by partypoker imo.

PartyPoker (Vaguely) Confirms Player Segregation: New Players “Protected” from Regulars Although specifics are still unknown, certain tables containing a threshold of “new” or “inexperienced” players are apparently hidden from other players. A representative from PartyPoker has, in rather uncertain terms, confirmed that they are at least “testing” a feature that apparently grades tables, and removes them from the lobby of regular players. A Party representative posted publicly Thursday that the company is “testing various features to make poker more fun and entertaining,” including looking for ways to facilitate “players of a similar ability” playing together “in the early stages” of their online poker experience. After days of speculation, an official representative from Party Poker posted the following on 2+2: We are continually looking for ways to balance our poker room ecology. As we have said before, we are testing various features to make poker a more fun and entertaining game for both new and inexperienced players. Our extensive research shows that new and inexperienced players enjoy the game more and continue playing for longer if in the early stages they play with players of a similar ability, this includes, but is not limited to our welcome lounges. These players are free to play on any table they chose. Party has recently seen strong growth in traffic thanks to the transition of bwin players onto the PartyGaming platform, which has let it keep in striking distance of Full Tilt in terms of cash game traffic. Protecting the “poker room ecology” has been highlighted as an important goal for bwin.party. Part of this multi-step plan has included removing the bad beat jackpot, cutting its VIP program at the highest tier, and moving onto social and mobile gaming platforms. c/p from pokerfuse.com

On March 01 2013 07:15 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2013 06:29 DustySwedeDude wrote: Seems like a really good idea. I can see the point of it. Kinda kills bumhunting too, which is great. i can only see this benefiting fish, the regs will go play pokerstars instead, or they will buy fish accounts/ or make new accounts and play in fish only games. Seems really dumb by partypoker imo.

Yea well, winning regs has to either play at harder tables or start new tables. "Bumhunters" will have a much harder time. Really good regs will get more action from slighly worse regs. Don't see what value people who table selects hard brings to the table for anyone, they just steal action from the "I'll just play whoeverthefuck"-crowd, they target fish and they won't sit in any seat that wouldn't be filled fast by someone else anyway. Fish happy, site happy, "I'll play whoeverthefuck"-ppl happy. Sounds good to me.

I would be down for a ranking system based off winrate. Just like chess, checkers, all skill games.. Give the bad player an opportunity to see who hes playing with. Just have the ranking pts on the side of each players screen name. Its alot better than not giving everyone a fair chance to play.

...so basically what you are saying is open a new party account every few months to get on all the best tables and avoid regs?
Seems legit.

All regs that want to play with at least 1 fish per table should leave with their money. Problem solved. Let's see how bwin.Party will handle this.

Or just cash out a lot cause you are forced to play much less tables - so you need smaller bankroll there.

On March 01 2013 06:29 DustySwedeDude wrote: Seems like a really good idea. I can see the point of it. Kinda kills bumhunting too, which is great.

it always amazes me how fast some ppl forget how they made most of their money.

That philosoraptor makes no sense brah.

was going for thought process in the middle and effect at the end, cause i couldnt find easily image that would fit better

Party has pulled the self-destruct switch. I cant imagine the genius behind this executive decision

On March 01 2013 11:03 MadeInPolanD wrote: it always amazes me how fast some ppl forget how they made most of their money.

1. I've obviously made most of my profit vs fish but for the majority of time I played I've had very little table selection. When I made most of my money while playing 2/4-5/10 on prima my table selection for a good 2 years and a million hands or so was to sit on any free seat for 6 max tables and then "join all waitlists" until I had whatever number of tables I used wanted to play. I did sit out if shortstacks joined though. I did table select a bit at 10/20+ but I never did at my main stakes. This is the reason I actually got better faster then 95% the regs I played with on any give stake.

2. I'd much rather have crap regs being forced to play me more then getting one or two extra tables with some fish some of the time, and considering the fact that I actually start tables a decent % of the time I'll probably get more fish action from this. If this happened on some site I played I'd just start tables like a crazy person and play whoever HU until a fish joined and then I could be certain that I'd be on a table with 2-3 good players, the fish and then no more winning regs. Seems like it'd be much easier to win money that way then having to compete with people for good seats all day.

3. What does that have to do with anything? Just because someone made money some way before you feel that you have the right to do the same thing now?

Poker sites have absolutely no use of winning grinders unless they win money from players on other skins. If they have enough fish other people will show up and as long the fish gets whatever action he wants the sites don't give a shit if you are playing there.

as i remember Prima, it was a network about the size or smaller than merge is now, if you wouldnt choose all tables waiting lists at particular stakes you didnt play at all


may i ask why did you play on Prima? why not any other pokerroom?


LET ME GUESS:

IT WAS SOFTER

:D

On March 01 2013 12:11 DustySwedeDude wrote: Poker sites have absolutely no use of winning grinders unless they win money from players on other skins. If they have enough fish other people will show up and as long the fish gets whatever action he wants the sites don't give a shit if you are playing there.

100% not like that for tourneys, where people care about the size of first prize, hence regs affect #participants, which does affect $first prize though thats beyond the scope of party's measure, which only affects no limit cash games.

Bwin.party have their own network, and all 3 skins (WPT, party, BWin) are owned by them, so the whole skin argument does not matter.

anyways, perhaps you're forgetting that being a reg @ midstakes(and up) implies that you are likely playing poker to make a living. you're not going to make a living by playing people of (on average) equal or better skill, therefore playing with weaker opponents is a necessity.
No fish in the game = no game for regs.

On March 01 2013 12:11 DustySwedeDude wrote: Poker sites have absolutely no use of winning grinders unless they win money from players on other skins. If they have enough fish other people will show up and as long the fish gets whatever action he wants the sites don't give a shit if you are playing there.

YOu realise the image of poker itself get destroyed by something like PP did?
They are rigging (no idea if its a word) the games...
they make a ''legit'' game not legit for their own profits... which mean they can do anything, like make a fish hit so you lose

WHat pp did is terrible for the poker players and the poker in general

they change the ''outcome'' of a game for their own profits...
and people agree with it
unreal
...

one guy on 2+2 descibes how it works:

First of all this is just so ridiculous in so many ways, especially with the whole "hey lets hope nobody notices anything" attitude and even the support denying everything at first. I'm pretty sure I got to experience this "test" in full action. I only started to play on Party like a week ago and the games just seemed amazing, I could easily get 9 tables with 2+ fishes on every table and it just seemed when a fish got broke and left there was a new fish joining in. Well this fun ended up lasting for three days, on day number four it was just a complete regfest. Played a long session and just literally saw like two fishes the whole time. Played a couple of sessions after that and it's been the same. And starting tables and waiting for a fish to join isn't working at all, so I don't know if this whole system has something to do with the quick start tables but it's just impossible to get good games going on now. And not to mention I still got the horrible lobby lag after playing for like 30 minutes, couldn't really find any fix for it. Anyway, it was fun while it lasted but goodbye for now Party!

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