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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Jan 02 2013 10:00. Posts 15163

H1:
Submitted by : LemOn[5thF]

PokerStars Hand #91652680093: Holdem No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2013/01/01 17:16:07 ET
Table Giacobini II 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: robthegr8 ($5 in chips)
Seat 2: ziomekek ($19.72 in chips)
Seat 3: dooll888 ($8.07 in chips)
Seat 4: jimbo12373 ($16.02 in chips)
Seat 5: Crazy eagle0 ($10 in chips)
Seat 6: DoC.LemOn ($10 in chips)
DoC.LemOn: posts small blind $0.05
robthegr8: posts big blind $0.10

Holecards
Dealt to DoC.LemOn [xs xs]
ziomekek: folds
dooll888: folds
jimbo12373: raises $0.20 to $0.30
Crazy eagle0: folds
DoC.LemOn: raises $0.70 to $1
robthegr8: folds
jimbo12373: calls $0.70

Flop (Pot : $2.10)

   JcJh3h
DoC.LemOn:



Unknown standard reg
A) BLuffs - I take it I should 2 barrel right as pps call most of the time and we should get decent amount of floats from AQ or something. Do bet even on total rags like a 2 or just T+?

B) 88-TT what's your line?

C) QQ-AA same what's your line?

Against unknown standard low stakes regs.

H2:
Submitted by : lopata

***** Hand History for Game 91677293229 ***** Poker Stars
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, January 02, 08:42:52 ET 2013
Table Hirose III Real Money
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: IBringUPeace $104.18 USD
Seat 2: Hero $122.43 USD
Seat 3: BohLuiLiao! $140.09 USD
Seat 4: bizonkto $188.48 USD
Seat 5: SUperSjALLA! $38.93 USD
Seat 6: jaklourie $102.46 USD
IBringUPeace posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$1.00 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [8dQd ]
BohLuiLiao! folds
bizonkto raises [$3.00 USD]
SUperSjALLA! folds
jaklourie calls [$3.00 USD]
IBringUPeace folds
Hero raises [$11.00 USD]
bizonkto calls [$9.00 USD]
jaklourie folds

Flop (Pot : $26.50)

   4c4h2c
Hero bets [$15.00 USD]
bizonkto calls [$15.00 USD]

Turn (Pot : $56.50)

   4c4h2cJs
Hero bets [$29.00 USD]
bizonkto calls [$29.00 USD]

River (Pot : $114.50)

   4c4h2cJs9c
Hero bets [$66.43 USD]
bizonkto calls [$66.43 USD]
Hero shows 8dQd
bizonkto shows ThJh
bizonkto wins $245.56 USD from main pot


This is Lopata's hand, paired board again different situation a bit as we will be expected to bluff turn card so it kinda feels a river needs to be a shove against regs too.

A) Play with TT if we squeeze it?
B) Bluffs against standard reg - do we have to 3 barrel after betting flop? What would be your default/take on these situations.
I take it all overpairs are bet bet shove always against anyone.


I'm just having trouble with deciding how many streets we have to bet, cbet and give up doesn't feel right on either as regs peel so often

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Rapoza   Brasil. Jan 02 2013 12:21. Posts 1612

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bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jan 02 2013 13:08. Posts 8649


  On January 02 2013 09:00 LemOn[5thF] wrote:
H1:
Submitted by : LemOn[5thF]

PokerStars Hand #91652680093: Holdem No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2013/01/01 17:16:07 ET
Table Giacobini II 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: robthegr8 ($5 in chips)
Seat 2: ziomekek ($19.72 in chips)
Seat 3: dooll888 ($8.07 in chips)
Seat 4: jimbo12373 ($16.02 in chips)
Seat 5: Crazy eagle0 ($10 in chips)
Seat 6: DoC.LemOn ($10 in chips)
DoC.LemOn: posts small blind $0.05
robthegr8: posts big blind $0.10

Holecards
Dealt to DoC.LemOn [xs xs]
ziomekek: folds
dooll888: folds
jimbo12373: raises $0.20 to $0.30
Crazy eagle0: folds
DoC.LemOn: raises $0.70 to $1
robthegr8: folds
jimbo12373: calls $0.70

Flop (Pot : $2.10)

   JcJh3h
DoC.LemOn:



Unknown standard reg
A) BLuffs - I take it I should 2 barrel right as pps call most of the time and we should get decent amount of floats from AQ or something. Do bet even on total rags like a 2 or just T+?

B) 88-TT what's your line?

C) QQ-AA same what's your line?

Against unknown standard low stakes regs.

H2:
Submitted by : lopata

***** Hand History for Game 91677293229 ***** Poker Stars
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, January 02, 08:42:52 ET 2013
Table Hirose III Real Money
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: IBringUPeace $104.18 USD
Seat 2: Hero $122.43 USD
Seat 3: BohLuiLiao! $140.09 USD
Seat 4: bizonkto $188.48 USD
Seat 5: SUperSjALLA! $38.93 USD
Seat 6: jaklourie $102.46 USD
IBringUPeace posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$1.00 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [8dQd ]
BohLuiLiao! folds
bizonkto raises [$3.00 USD]
SUperSjALLA! folds
jaklourie calls [$3.00 USD]
IBringUPeace folds
Hero raises [$11.00 USD]
bizonkto calls [$9.00 USD]
jaklourie folds

Flop (Pot : $26.50)

   4c4h2c
Hero bets [$15.00 USD]
bizonkto calls [$15.00 USD]

Turn (Pot : $56.50)

   4c4h2cJs
Hero bets [$29.00 USD]
bizonkto calls [$29.00 USD]

River (Pot : $114.50)

   4c4h2cJs9c
Hero bets [$66.43 USD]
bizonkto calls [$66.43 USD]
Hero shows 8dQd
bizonkto shows ThJh
bizonkto wins $245.56 USD from main pot


This is Lopata's hand, paired board again different situation a bit as we will be expected to bluff turn card so it kinda feels a river needs to be a shove against regs too.

A) Play with TT if we squeeze it?
B) Bluffs against standard reg - do we have to 3 barrel after betting flop? What would be your default/take on these situations.
I take it all overpairs are bet bet shove always against anyone.


I'm just having trouble with deciding how many streets we have to bet, cbet and give up doesn't feel right on either as regs peel so often



don't know answers to all of these but 1A: not really fan of bluffing turn at micros in a vacuum unless we pick up equity i.e. if we have AQ w/a heart firing heart/K/T turn or something.

1B/C: certainly start by betting all of them as default, alternate lines like c-c 3x with the less vulnerable hands (QQ+) or bet-check-check or whatever definitely can have more value vs some people but vacuum play is bet, and usually bet any turn card below your pair. beyond that there's obviously some trickier turn/river scenarios, but not sure what correct "default" play is for all of them, just that it usually comes down to reads. for ex. vs some players it's correct to fire Ah turn w/TT even though it's not exactly clear whether it's a v-bet or bluff, but the EV of taking the initiative is just higher than checking. vs other players Ah turn is super easy c-f w/TT. (btw how do we know they're "standard" if they're unknown?)

2A: b-b-b w/TT

2B: don't have to 3-barrel after betting flop and i think it's kind of spewy with no reads...but i could be out of touch with the dynamics these days. but yeah....


  On January 02 2013 11:21 Rapoza wrote:
both spots are villain/image dependent imo


+1

Truck-Crash LifeLast edit: 02/01/2013 13:13

 



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