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GameOverNoob   Canada. Jan 01 2013 23:13. Posts 961

Do you double buy in rebuy mtt's? Why, or why not

Does single rebuying lower your variance enough to justify being less stacked?

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Target-x17   Canada. Jan 02 2013 20:38. Posts 1027

Single rebuying in theory raises variance sometimes for example in a 3.3$rebuy 180 if you only buyin once your turning a 180man tourney into basicly a 350man. But at the same time your potential roi goes up because you will have a higher roi in a bigger tourney. These are all on averages and not always true depends your skill and skill of field

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GameOverNoob   Canada. Jan 03 2013 12:34. Posts 961

interesting. You're saying that a single buy-in in a rebuy tourney increases your variance because you would then be playing with less than average, almost like playing against twice the field...

I thought buying in for a single would less variance because you're risking less.

So while you would be spending more money (increasing variance) you're lowering the variance because you're playing against the average?....

What do you guys think?

overall... if the table is un interesting, and there aren't maniacs present... single or double?

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Fujikura   United States. Jan 03 2013 12:40. Posts 1795

just rebuy until you have all of the chips

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xBERNx   United States. Jan 03 2013 16:14. Posts 42

When ever I would play rebuy's I would always do so for the max.. For the simple fact that if you think you have an edge over the field (which if you don't feel like you do you probably shouldn't be playing in it to begin with- at those stakes anyhow.) its always nice to be deeper stacked because any good MTT player would obviously feel more comfortable making plays with <100bb stacks rather than >50. It gives you more opportunity to see flops, and having the 'big' stack normally demands some level of respect from someone who is also deep. I don't see any justifiable reason in not buying in for the max amount if playing anything whether its Cash or MTT's. I think by doing so your giving up a huge advantage. Sure, you haven't invested as much so when/if you do make the money your profits will obviously be increased, however I think with that type of mentality your playing just to make it ITM.. and not playing for first like you should be in any tour. you open up.


As far as Target-x17s theory goes, I don't really agree with that example... Just for the simple fact that #1 you arent playing vs 180 people, your playing against your table. So your stack size is really only relative to the blinds, and the stack sizes at your table. and #2 Rebuys people are obviously more 'shove' happy, and with that being said, all that really does is put more chips in play, more money in the prize pool (if the decide to rebuy), or if not, thin the playing field.

I personally love rebuys, I'm sure if you looked around you could find optimal strategy on rebuy tournaments.. I'm not even sure I'm 100% correct on this, or even close.. However when offered more chips, I take them. If you start with 1500 and double up, your up to 3k. if blinds are lets just say for simple math sake 50/100 you turned a 15bb stack into 30. (clearly not the best example since your shoving range with a 15bb stack over a 30bb stack is going to be significantly different, however just an example) to where as you start with 3k and double up, your up to 60bbs. It doesnt force you to feel rushed, or crippled with a 3bet or playing almost like 'Stop and Go'. Idk, Just seems like if your not rebuying for max, then you should just play a bigger b.i tournament. Idk, my 2cents. and thats probably all its worth at best anyways.


Target-x17   Canada. Jan 03 2013 19:55. Posts 1027

My strategy which I feel is hourly optimal is double rebuy to start and single bullit it if stacked after the first level or two (turbos). I also avoid any marginal spots (like folding aq pre from mp) Many +chip ev spots are acualy -$ev because getting stacked and rebuying near the addon is terrible equity wise. Basicly any postflop play is bad or breakeven without top hands but were shallow enough at that point to shove are entire range which needs to gain us more chips then usual.


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Daut    United States. Jan 03 2013 22:25. Posts 8955

the correct strategy is actually to register at the last possible moment with a single stack and then add on. This gives you an automatic ROI since addons are generally more chips than the buyin or rebuys are.

its pretty lame but in tough tourneys (like say 500r wcoop) its the way to go. if you have a big edge in something like the 10r then go ahead and double buyin and double rebuy. but in something like the sunday 100r even i think its correct to single buyin, single bullet fire and add on

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Target-x17   Canada. Jan 04 2013 02:34. Posts 1027

well like 95% of the rebuys that go off at least at the low stakes are capped (cant late register)

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goose58   United States. Jan 04 2013 18:29. Posts 871

I remember years ago, players like Ozzy87 would just jam every other hand in rebuys(low stakes) in hopes of getting a bigstack. The time I railed his table, he rebuyed+added on like 5~ times and eventually got a big stack.


Teachmetocrush   Canada. Jan 06 2013 08:32. Posts 22

Interesting idea Daut. I never thought of that.

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kingpowa   France. Jan 29 2013 13:53. Posts 1525

http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/559977/all/wcoop-13_$215+R_NLHE.html
See mig's posts in this thread. It's not only about rebuying but also about how to play rebuy period.

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barbieman   Sweden. Feb 18 2013 00:40. Posts 2132

I don't think those advice apply anymore. People need to do a lot of stupid shit with big stacks later in the tournament to warrant spewing to get a big stack during the rebuy period.


lacman730   United States. Jun 06 2013 14:20. Posts 311

aren't rebuy tourneys way better value than freezeouts for the simple fact that rebuys and addons aren't raked?

like if your normal stakes is $30-50, what's the drawback to just playing $10-20 1r1a's and enjoying the 3% instead of 10% rake? i feel like the only advantage of playing a freezeout instead of a rebuy tourney is if there is significant overlay in the freezeout or it is a very big(soft-field) tourney resulting from a large prizepool guarantee.


Gnarly   United States. Jul 24 2013 17:41. Posts 1723

At the games I've been going to in town, there are some who spew and rebuy in the beginning, and there's one or two that buy in at the last minute and add on as many times as they can. These are the players I see near the bubble consistently.

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RaiZ   France. Aug 01 2013 22:53. Posts 1503


  On July 24 2013 16:41 Gnarly wrote:
At the games I've been going to in town, there are some who spew and rebuy in the beginning, and there's one or two that buy in at the last minute and add on as many times as they can. These are the players I see near the bubble consistently.


I thought there was only and only 1 addon available in general ? Never thought it was actually possible to buy multiples addons oO

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Gnarly   United States. Aug 01 2013 23:47. Posts 1723


  On August 01 2013 21:53 RaiZ wrote:
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I thought there was only and only 1 addon available in general ? Never thought it was actually possible to buy multiples addons oO


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