NL200 Live Quick Opinion 600bb pot

Just came across a hand, need some opinions on how you guys would play it.

Villain is very active, seems to be regular at the tables, regular winner and gives lot of action. Seems to be playing too wide. I sat down about an hour ago, seen him float a lot of flops when people cbet, and play back at people. Haven't seen him bluff at all or play for stacks. He's got about a $600 stack, I cover.

He limps UTG, there's 3 callers, I raise to 20 with Ad Jc at hijack, only he calls.

Flop ($49) 10c 8c 8d

He checks, I bet $35, he calls pretty quickly.

Turn ($119) 10c 8c 8d As

He checks, I bet 75, he raises to 200 after thinking for about 10 seconds, I tank and call. (My reasoning for calling is that I would be ahead of a lot of draws, and any bluffs, and if I jam I'm folding out pretty much everything I beat. He's folded draws before as well, so I'm not necessarily getting him to commit with a draw)

River ($519) 10c 8c 8d As 9c

He snapjams. He says it in a pretty aggressive tone, and is sitting up really straight. He's also holding his cards in one hand, slightly tilted, almost like he's ready to instamuck if I fold.

Me

I've seen him raise all his monsters preflop, and I've seen him checkraise for value a couple times on river only as value. He's floated almost every flop I cbet when we've been in pots together, but we've never gone to showdown for a big pot. I think his preflop range could include anything that's a suited gapper, pocket pairs, and small broadways or suited broadway + other cards (so like J7s, K9s, suited Aces, etc), so it definitely includes all 8's and possible flush draws, straight draws, and combodraws. He would definitely view trips as nuts on this board and jam for value as well.

Is this a call or fold?

Or did I play any street wrong?

u said he likes to play back so u decided to cbet flop when he oop floats with A high?

Why not? I'm ahead of a lot of his range and I've never see him checkraise any flop. What I mean by play back is that he's not very often a check/fold when miss type. He floats a lot when he's behind if he thinks you're always betting.

In the past, for example, he's floated my flop bet and then folded when I barreled again on the turn. I've seen him float flop against someone and then bet turn when they check to him pretty often.

imo, snap decisions live have more often been bluffs than not.

i think a reg would have wanted to hollywood a little bit on the river, since it is a "scare card" and bluffy card. think if he had a hand like trips he would at least think a little bit before jamming. even if he caught a flush he would think b4 jamming if alleged is a reg.

i would call river.

Also, something that factors into my decision: I'm crushing this table right now but I only have about $100 left in my pocket, so I can't really rebuy if I bust. I lost a bunch yesterday on roulette and blackjack (oops). I'm fairly confident I can still steamroll over this table if I fold, and not get into any difficult positions, so I don't really wanna go bust on this particular hand.

seen him float a lot of flops when people cbet, and play back at people.

On December 28 2012 17:39 Endo wrote: Also, something that factors into my decision: I'm crushing this table right now but I only have about $100 left in my pocket, so I can't really rebuy if I bust. I lost a bunch yesterday on roulette and blackjack (oops). I'm fairly confident I can still steamroll over this table if I fold, and not get into any difficult positions, so I don't really wanna go bust on this particular hand.

ok so your mistake was playing with scared money. and playing roulette and blackjack :D

if you ain't going to play this for stacks u'd rather check behind turn, as played it's prob a fold

snap call.

when they show strength IRL theyr usually weak, and when they show disinterested and weak theyr pretty much strong.(Rounders)

I'd rather fold the turn, also no matter online or live any decent regs rarely try to bluff off whole stacks on certain board, u can reasonable have a strong range and flat IP slowplay these hands
But against quite aggro/spwey fish this could be a tough spot for sure

On December 29 2012 00:55 sunnysky7 wrote: I'd rather fold the turn, also no matter online or live any decent regs rarely try to bluff off whole stacks on certain boards, reasonable boats in ur range etc.. But against quite aggro/spwey fish this could be a tough spot for sure

I don't think turn should be a fold...there's way too many draws out there, and even regs at 1/2 I feel are pretttty bad

--- Nuked ---

He's also holding his cards in one hand, slightly tilted, almost like he's ready to instamuck if I fold.

lol snapfold

On December 28 2012 21:08 Fayth wrote: if you ain't going to play this for stacks u'd rather check behind turn, as played it's prob a fold

Fayth, I was thinking about this after you posted it yesterday. If you check behind on the turn every time this situation comes up, aren't you just burning money? I feel you're going to be ahead of the turn a vast majority of the time, but not necessarily the river. If I check turn and bet river on a brick, he's gonna fold all his missed draws, raise trips, and probably call worse aces. Seems I'm in a worse spot off by not putting money in when I'm usually ahead on the turn.

On December 28 2012 17:19 Endo wrote: Haven't seen him bluff at all or play for stacks.

Your hand is merely a bluff catcher, so it's a pretty easy fold with the above observation. Check turn, fold turn, don't worry too much about game theory, exploit to the max.

People have commented on the other stuff...just to add something you may not have thought about:

-Raise bigger pre. You're fucking deep. 25-30 isn't a bad idea at 1-2.
I default 5bb+1 per limper, which make this 9bb, or 18. Then I just make it 25 because of how deep we are. The only reason why we don't do this online is because people 3bet, and fish have more of an elastic range facing large preflop raises.
Also, you don't mention stacks behind but there are still 4 players left to act.
You actually ran kinda good here to get it HU.

-I think live villains typically have pretty tight UTG ranges. I give most players I've played under 10 hours with a pretty tight range of PPs, broadways, and strong aces here. I think guys can show up with AK/AQ based on turn (not river) action.
You claim he is wider, so I'll give you that. I think there's a good chance you're wrong though. Lots of regs/recreational players read books these days and play tighter EP, even if they are clueless postflop.
edit to add: its pretty easy after an hour or two with spare showdowns for a guy to look like hes limping wider utg. i think in these situations looking at the guy and how he talks/put chips into the pot helps you make judgements on how loose he might be.

Dont understand why you cbet. Lets put an imaginary HUD over him that probably consists of 50/30/4 with FCB of 20. Would you ever cbet this person online? When this person goes allin how often are you really calling?

I would c bet flop vs this player but for all the different reasons you're thinking...I would cbet here merely for value and then try to get to showdown. Would probalby continue barreling off if i pick up a draw on the turn or hit a J/A

probably be very wary of his counter aggression...generally players like this won't just spazz out and put in his stack w J5 here...If i wasn't comfortable playing this for stacks on turn why not just go for 2 streets of value now and check turn and have him hero call river.?

But generally turn is a pretty standard bet but bear in mind that we don't really have that many rivers to be scared of or that would keep us from value betting if we check the turn too. And additionally if we check the turn we will more than likely see his hand more often which can be very beneficial to our future game plan vs him as this will be a spot that comes up very often and we can really turn on the rape

I also agree with semper...experiment with bet sizing differences preflop. why can't we raise to $40 pre in this spot w AA and just $20 w AJ here? it's not like the live noobs will ever pick up on that...and if they do then start bluffing w $40 raises pre LOL

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