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HerroRara   Canada. Nov 20 2012 02:36. Posts 168

Submitted by : HerroRara

***** Hand History for Game 31466728750 ***** (Full Tilt)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, November 19, 10:50:42 ET 2012
Table Pursuit (heads up) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ( $101.00 USD )
Seat 2: dimasik19 ( $111.80 USD )
dimasik19 posts small blind $0.50 USD.
Hero posts big blind $1.00 USD.

Holecards
Dealt to Hero QhTd
dimasik19 raises $1.50 USD
Hero calls $1.00 USD

Flop (Pot : $3.50)

   8dTs2s
Hero checks
dimasik19 bets $4.00 USD
Hero raises $14.00 USD
dimasik19 calls $10.00 USD

Turn (Pot : $31.50)

   8dTs2s7s
Hero checks
dimasik19 bets $15.50 USD
Hero calls $15.50 USD

River (Pot : $62.50)

   8dTs2s7s2c
Hero checks
dimasik19 bets $27.00 USD
hero ???



Beginning of the match. Is this hand strong enough to check/raise on the flop?(I am under the impression that since stack sizes are 100BB or less Top pair is a lot stronger and can be played more aggressively like this) Am I correct in doing so in general without any reads?

After the turn scare card, I immediately became unsure about how to play the hand and became passive. Advice would be appreciated.

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phexac   United States. Nov 20 2012 03:38. Posts 2563

Don't really see why you're check-raising this.

Fold river as played.

Nitting it up since 2006 

Stroggoz   New Zealand. Nov 20 2012 04:24. Posts 5365

Assuming villian opens button more than 80% and they are cbetting at least an average amount, check raising QT here is fine.

I don't mind the turn c/c. I wouldn't mind a turn bet either, still lots of 8xs and Txs to get value from. It's sort of thin but makes us a little harder to play, and our river decision will be an easy check/decide after 2 barrels.
Our hand is quite face up by the river here as played.

One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beingsLast edit: 21/11/2012 04:13

GoTuNk   Chile. Nov 20 2012 14:16. Posts 2860

isn't this one of those "plz call me" betsize on the river or is it standard for HU ?


EvilSky    Czech Republic. Nov 21 2012 07:00. Posts 8918

Im not sure about c/r this flop as default, once we have established some history and dynamic sure, but right off the bat with no reads I think its a little too high variance and unnecessary. On the turn he has worse hands that could call but also many better hands and we can have every 2p,set,straight and flush out there so betting QT I would kinda feel like Im turning it into a bluff, even if we might get called by 89,T9 with a spade even those hands have a lot of equity against us.


k4ir0s   Canada. Nov 21 2012 17:00. Posts 3483

anyone like turning it into a bluff - betting turn / shoving riv?

our hand feels too transparent c/c turn, knowing our hand isn't very strong he can bluff the river so easily

I dont know what a dt drop is. Is it a wrestling move? -Oly 

Stroggoz   New Zealand. Nov 21 2012 22:48. Posts 5365


  On November 21 2012 16:00 k4ir0s wrote:
anyone like turning it into a bluff - betting turn / shoving riv?

our hand feels too transparent c/c turn, knowing our hand isn't very strong he can bluff the river so easily



If we are shoving river it has to be for value, because no one folds two pair+ here. therefore i think shoving river after betting turn is terrible when we can just make a very easy check and fold to a shove.

One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beingsLast edit: 21/11/2012 22:51

wobbly_au   Australia. Nov 22 2012 23:54. Posts 6540


  On November 21 2012 16:00 k4ir0s wrote:
anyone like turning it into a bluff - betting turn / shoving riv?

our hand feels too transparent c/c turn, knowing our hand isn't very strong he can bluff the river so easily



Think about your range if you shove tpgk on this river.

The Last Laugh. 

k4ir0s   Canada. Nov 23 2012 13:39. Posts 3483

What I meant to say was to shove most rivers after betting the turn, certainly not this one

I dont know what a dt drop is. Is it a wrestling move? -Oly 

MARSHALL28   United States. Dec 12 2012 09:16. Posts 1904

flop c/r is just a little too thin.

with AT i'd definitely c/r, kt id consider it when i had Ks.

this turn ... u gotta bet it. c/c the turn here with this hand is a disaster. when u chk there, u cap your range and allow anybody with a clue to exploit u.

based on his sizing ... hes either a really bad player, or he has something good and is stringing u along.


 



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