[NL100]kidflush in a 4way pot

Submitted by : drone666

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$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, September 07, 03:48:07 ET 2012
Table Marigot Real Money
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Dr Jingbell $182.50 USD
Seat 2: ELYSIYM $101.00 USD
Seat 5: Hero $444.64 USD
Seat 4: chergriga $140.66 USD
Seat 3: ipoomypants $197.00 USD
Seat 6: nanananaBATMAN $142.25 USD
Hero posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
nanananaBATMAN posts big blind [$1.00 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [ ]
Dr Jingbell folds
ELYSIYM raises [$3.00 USD]
ipoomypants calls [$3.00 USD]
chergriga calls [$3.00 USD]
Hero calls [$2.50 USD]
nanananaBATMAN folds

Flop (Pot : $13.00)

   
Hero checks
ELYSIYM checks
ipoomypants bets [$9.00 USD]
chergriga calls [$9.00 USD]
Hero raises [$34.00 USD]
ELYSIYM folds
ipoomypants folds
chergriga calls [$25.00 USD]

Turn (Pot : $90.00)

   
Hero bets [$407.64 USD]

callling pre is fine.

id be tempted to check turn, given he is aggessive and since i think his range could be quite wide - JThh type hands.
betting is obviously fine tho

Sounds like u got coolered... 140bb deep maybe u can bet size differently but I doubt I'm folding often

I'm obviously not folding turn or flop, I just couldn't find a spot where 68ss is profitable playing multiway pots vs regs, since this is the best possible flop, and it's not even a great spot equity wise vs a hand that will get in with me

so the question is basically about preflop, because I see people calling this suited conector hands all the time, arguing that it plays good multiways pots

I think your call pre sucks. Id prefer to sqz or fold...as played we flopped the nuts. Let's start shoveling in the monies

poker is funy o_O i think folding pre is lol bad

^ can you explain why your standard would to be flat weak hands OOP vs a couple decent players and 1 baddie that's not even a fish? I can see merits of calling here if there's some fish/whale in the hand but vs 3 competent/semi competent opponents we aren't really out playing anyone OOP with a weak hand as this. and hands like this is only really profitable if we are outplaying them often enough to make up for the likely difference in hand strength and positional strength as well.. i just don't see a call here being +ev long term

On September 10 2012 11:35 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: poker is funy o_O i think folding pre is lol bad

I THINK FLATTING PRE AT 100BB STACKS IS NOT SO GOOD

is it just me or is this a fold / squeeze pre?

Totally agree on the fold/sqz pre only. This hand is awful multiway and oop, it has such huge reverse implied odds in a spot like this. If you can't stack off here with a smile then don't call pre, and you can't stack off here with a smile so the hand is clearly a bad call imo.

interesting discussion here on the preflop. There is quite a big divide over weather it's good to play like this preflop, this divide extends to the most skilled players.

i think our implied odds are ok here, the last time i played 100nl, regs didn't know how to fold top pair in 4way pots. And it's quite easy for someone to have an overpair/top pair in a four way pot.
We basically gotta flop two pair+ though if we want to make money, which still makes it an ok call imo. This is because even though we have to fold to a cbet 93% of the time, and we are getting exploited by cbets, we still exploit other people more when we make a good hand.

i don't think reverse implied odds are even much of an issue.

imo, calling pre is marginal. if there was a fish in the pot then calling pre is great.


btw the turn overbet is pretty insane. You'll get much more calls with a smaller bet.

mm
you'll flop those strengths of hands very rarely (4%?) and are still unlikely to win a whole stack vs top pairs
board pairs on other cards by river i guess about 18% when you have 2pair
you'll flop a fd (which might not even be good) about 10% and have to play it oop


as an added bonus BB will likely squeeze at least 4% of the time

Calling oop with most likely a worse hand than anyone else isnt gonna be close to justified by that 50c discount
Maybe its true that all the regulars are spewing everywhere with their pairs but i think you're kidding yourself how often you hit those hands and have them both be paid off and still be good by the river

On September 13 2012 16:55 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On September 10 2012 11:35 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: poker is funy o_O i think folding pre is lol bad I THINK FLATTING PRE AT 100BB STACKS IS NOT SO GOOD

i also dont like CRing the flop, cause if he shoves we have to call - calling overpot shove with 8 high is kinda bad

flatting pre sucks.

after you did it anyways, it's way better to lead than to c/r