Pokerstars Datamining

rofl

how about making hud a corked bat?

when i started reading this i tried my best to remian unbiased.
so heres what i think.

using PT clearly gives an advantage to the player who do use it because of the information that it records. but the fact that you played the hand with player x, means that player x has the ability to record/remember/make note of the hand or hands. the fact that they dont use an element provided to them to record exactly what happened is unfortunate, whether they play for fun or seriously.

now the use of a dataminer gives player y that much more of an advantage because that player could have my entire hand history and I've never played a hand against him.

the only difference is that ive played against player x and i havent played with player y. what it boils down to is your opinion on this fact and imo, this is way too much of an advantage for one player to have over another.

also there are a lot of bad analogies in this thread

speaking of datamining, does anyone know about how the NotThisTime vs Hallinggol 25/50 headsup marathon ended up overall?

On November 14 2006 16:00 BigBalls wrote: how about making hud a corked bat?

lol stop with the stupid analogies relating PT with cheating, its not even a situation remotely alike.

hate to be the fish who doesnt know what everyone's talkin about but what is the HUD part of PT??

i have PT but i have no clue what HUD stands for or what it is...also at the beginnin of this thread ROALD mentioned something about TOS? whats that as well??

im gonna say there will be no end to this discussion we will end up agreeing to disagree...or disagreeing to disagreein..

anyways, every game evolves. its the nature of life. everything changes...
hockey went from wood sticks to these light metal sticks that can make your shot amazing...bats got better in baseball, poker went online and all of a sudden you could play more than 1 table at a time....football added technology to the game and suddenly the quarterback could talk through his helmut to a coach who talks to a guy upstairs who is watchin the defense (actually im not sure about this last one but it seemed like that in the movie any given sunday, which is a friggin awesome movie, but i digress)

probably the only game that hasnt changed is soccer...lolz...

the point is, evolution is inevitable...ultimately poker is still poker. regardless of how much data you have on a player, its really still poker. what i did 3 months ago, is not representative of my play today. Even if they record me for months, and knows my exact plays, eventually a good player catchs on and switches it up...really poker is still poker...

dont you guys think it would be odd if the same guy kept raisin you when you had a hand like AT? Eventually your gonna call the AT preflop hit an ace and confuse him by doing something you dont normally do...

in fact i'll venture a guess that often the way you take a big stack out is doing something unusual...NOT by playing your standard game...

I think poker, all the databases or everything, doesnt help you against any particular player. But it definitely helps you find the holes in your own game...(ie i know where i lose most of my money..overplayin certain hands or certain positions..)

If you know exactly my type of play, i could still be a very strong player......meanin even if you know my type of play and my type of play is tight, your goin up against cards that have you beat > 60% of the time...your only chance of beatin me is when YOU have a hand...And you can represent it if you want, but the ace will hit the flop more than enough times for me to make money and when i have an overpair the flop will be low cards more than enough times to make me money...

That means the only time you have an advantage over me is when you sense weakness...which will probably be when im weak...but if you make a play at me every time im weak, im gonna catch on and realize AT is probably good some of these times your messin with me...In fact Id probably figure it out within the 2nd or 3rd time because you havin AK and me having AT 3 times in a row is a little sketchy. You might convince me the first time(always give benefit of the doubt), i'll assess whether your stupid enough to make a move at me another time when i folded the previous time (ie meanin your bettin knowin you did this already to me, you probably want to make it look like a bluff and get a call),,,and then the 3rd time, i'll know something really messed up is going on and i might just have to call...

When I find otu your playin ME and my weakness, then i'll switch up my game against that certain player...

ANYWAYS theoretically i would, i might not notice...but eventually everyone notices...

give me the database on NEGREANU'S entire life and I would still not be able to beat him because i think hes good enough to switch it up at a given moment...

Tere Here, a HUD ( gametime+ or pokerace hud ) is a program that shows statistics on your opponents at the table while playing. These programs use PT databases and they can be configured to show any kind of statistic you can think of. eg. how often someone check/raises turn, goes to showdown, folds his cbet... anything.
HUD screenshots

Nazgul not really. But PT just rephrases the information for your viewing pleasure. ;D I guess it's borderline moral, but it's legal. I guess it's something like Weed <-> Alcohol kind of relationship. Weed is illegal while Alcohol is legal and both are drugs to an extent and alcohol might even be more harmful. It's just about where the line is drawn, but like you said - if I'm here to justify using PT, I think it's a lot easier than justifying use of datamining.

Weed is legal and alcohol is worse than weed so there! Analogy thwarted !

On November 15 2006 08:46 Twisted wrote: Weed is legal and alcohol is worse than weed so there! Analogy thwarted !

yes maybe in that paradise you live in it is legal. But those of us stuck in the People's Republic of America would say that analogy is pretty valid.

If you want datamined hands on Stars you are best off using something like HandHQ.com to get hands. You don't mine yourself so little way to get caught - if they even look out for this datamining.

On November 13 2008 12:19 Mr. Flibble wrote: If you want datamined hands on Stars you are best off using something like HandHQ.com to get hands. You don't mine yourself so little way to get caught - if they even look out for this datamining.

one of the better bumps ive seen imo

EPIC BUMP

LOLLLL I just read all 5 pages on this thinking it was today.

hhsmithey and telescope ftw. close stupid thread.

hehe it seems november makes people wonder about datamining

On November 13 2008 13:18 whamm! wrote: hhsmithey and telescope ftw. close stupid thread.

have you used these?

me too

On November 13 2008 12:19 Mr. Flibble wrote: If you want datamined hands on Stars you are best off using something like HandHQ.com to get hands. You don't mine yourself so little way to get caught - if they even look out for this datamining.

hmm, is this an advertisement in disguise #_#

good observation there Subaru O_o