Pokerstars Datamining

I just want to get some opinions from people on this. Usually people say "its against the TOS". But now that pokerstars itself is violating the USAs TOS, that would make me feel less immoral about it. People are also afraid of being caught and having their accounts frozen, etc. The only program that has been released to the public is very easily detectable so I would never use it. Well what if there were a way to do it that is undetectable? Does that sound like something anyone might be interested in?

which program do u mean (the public one)? idle miner?

HOW DO I HAX PT BECAUSE I R CHEAPSKATE???

close thread?

Pokerstars is not violating any US law. The UIGEA prohibits American players from transferring money directly from American financial institutions to offshore gambling sites. PokerStars is not engaging in any such activity.

close thread?

Why close it? Isn't it pretty interesting?

I think there are programs that do this for tables you observe but they're not really worth buying. If you really want to datamine the best thing to do would be to run 12 tables and just fold everything but aces or kings.

edit: The risk of getting caught makes this stupid. Be patient and your database will grow

There is no risk of getting caught. I think I know what I'm doing so just go on the assumption that you cannot/will not get caught. Also, whether or not stars is violating US law is kind of up to interpretation. Ask yourself this though. Would Lee Jones feel comfortable traveling to the US right now?

edit: as I said before I'm not referring to a program that currently is available to the public

Of course theres a risk of getting caught. Stars monitor for this type of prohibited program.

How is this thread interesting. Datamining is illegal and comparable to HAX in bw. Same reason why PokerEdge is forbidden.

Tyty.

I don't see how they allow programs such as pokertracker, but datamining is illegal.. rrrright. Without pokertracker datamining would be useless. It's pokertracker that gives people who use it an edge over people who don't.

Tyty? are you looking for a ban or what?

do it naz, don't make me make myself a mod and do it

(just kidding I wouldnt do that )

Pokertracker only traces hands you're involved in and it's information you'd have anyway! When you're datamining, you're not paying attention to the tables - hell you could even be at a whorehouse banging a hoe and those stats would keep coming without you ever being near to a table.

That is why it is illegal and that is why PokerEdge is illegal. They grant you information you wouldn't otherwise have while using PokerTracker just displays the info you have because you've played in those hands yourself.

Without PokerTracker, datamining would have other tools to display the information, but PokerTracker without datamining wouldn't be useless. Only the other way around. Kinda like buying microwave meals when you don't have a microwave, but you can use microwave even if you don't have the microwave meals. God that's a bad analogy.

And just because I point out that it's illegal for a reason, doesn't mean I should get banned unless this forum supports such acts in which case I probably wouldn't mind getting banned as I think the legimate way is how the game should be played. There have been quite a few "How should I do drugs and pass the drug tests?" and "How can I maximize my winnings by using illegimate programs?"- type of threads which haven't been closed while posting a "where to find maphacks?" to TL.net probably earns a ban. But if I need to nick a stereo or hire a hitman to take someone out, this forum will be the first place to ask.

Now don't get all mushy just because you hate me for some reason.

[edit] And what do you think "tyty" means? Ty is short of "Thank you". If that deserves a ban then, I've been overusing those words a lot.

Saying tyty when it's not warranted is fucked up arrogant o;

Me? Arrogant? Wtf?

muhweli by ur logic it is for example also illegal for a broodwar player to watch replays of his enemies in which they didnt play themselves? i.e. it is illegal to use any information that u didnt experience with your own senses? ur logic is strange then.

Maybe we just say that "IT'S SAID IN THE RULES" and leave it at that. Why would there have to be more reasons? And replays are more like saved hands or session shared by the player voluntarily.

PS allows use of PokerTracker and the software doesn't try to detect PT etc. Why do you have to be searching for the extra edge if it's forbidden. Just the fact that "PS software is looking for the datamining tools" should be a hint on whether they advocate it's use or not. These are the shades of gray, ultimately leading to hacking to someone's computer for seeing their cards straight through. It goes in steps and I think been on the "barely legal" side is better than stepping over that border - don't you?

It is a little bit arrogant because saying 'tyty' is just like thinking you've won the arguement hands down when this was posted for a discussion. I think your correct but i also think Nazgul just wanted to continue a discussion on datamining or see how the thread evolves. I'm also happy to listen and see what information i can pick up, not that i'd use it.

so do you think people in the US should not be playing poker online though? Same logic. If it weren't for this, I wouldn't even consider breaking their TOS. But they set a precedent by interpreting US law their own way and thats the only reason this topic is different than previous topics on this subject.

I agree with Joe that the equivalent of map hacking would be hacking the server to see other people's cards.

why would you need datamining in the first place? you should focus on getting better instead

It's not like you expend energy/time datamining that you could've otherwise used to get better