[NL50 FR] AKo PF_vs BTN Squeeze

Hi,

Am I too agressive here in this spot?

Villain plays: 19/17 over 155 Hands
3bets PF 6/60 times (10%)
F to PF 3bet after raise: 2/6 (33%)
PF 4bet+ after raising 2/6 (33%)
Fold to 4bet after raise 0/0

I assumed it is not unlikely that he squeezes. He has 80BB after 3betting and there are 18,50BB already in the pot.
I hold AKo and block some AA and KK combinations - but is that play +EV?
thank you!



Submitted by : Xondros

PokerStars - $0.50 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: $45.00
SB: $61.36
Hero (BB): $64.87
UTG: $79.64
UTG+1: $50.25
UTG+2: $44.86
MP: $29.12
MP+1: $34.93
CO: $124.30

SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has

fold, UTG+1 raises to $1.50, fold, MP calls $1.50, fold, fold, BTN raises to $6.00, fold, Hero raises to $64.87 and is all-in, fold, fold, BTN calls $39.00 and is all-in

Flop: ($93.25, 2 players)

Turn: ($93.25, 2 players)

River: ($93.25, 2 players)

Hero shows (Two Pair, Kings and Fives) (Pre 7%, Flop 3%, Turn 5%)
BTN shows (Two Pair, Aces and Fives) (Pre 93%, Flop 97%, Turn 95%)
BTN wins $90.75

I think I shove too

isn't it better to make it like 13$ to give him the opportunity to spazz shove with the illusion of fold equity?

On August 11 2012 14:37 HiyAfOu wrote: isn't it better to make it like 13$ to give him the opportunity to spazz shove with the illusion of fold equity?

i like this way more

100% flat pre and not even close. closer to a fold than a shove.

a ton of you guys i noticed tend to overplay ak preflop especially in FR ...

Thank you all!

@Marshall:

On August 11 2012 16:23 MARSHALL28 wrote: a ton of you guys i noticed tend to overplay ak preflop especially in FR ...

even against this ( i know i only got 150 hands) 3bet happy opponent?
So how do you defend against regs that 3bet and maybe 4bet bluff you often? Do you ignore them and let them take little pieces of your money to avoid playing guessing games?

"6/60" is not "3bet happy," it's "woke up with some hands recently and maybe 3bet somebody's button open light-ish once"

over time you should come to find that you really need significant samples and/or direct experience (showdowns) from a player in order to make conclusions that he's out of line one way or another. you should filter your HUD to only display extremely basic stats like VPIP/PFR until you have a couple thousand hands on the opponent. well, really you should just disable your HUD but i know most people won't play without it.

FR is a VERY positional game, positional awareness is absolutely massive, when a nitty regular 3-bets a UTG opener massive warning bells should go off // in the blinds I would prob just fold this

Next time please don't post results in the hand, what people say may look bias based on HH

On August 11 2012 16:51 Xondros wrote: Thank you all! @Marshall: Show nested quote + On August 11 2012 16:23 MARSHALL28 wrote: a ton of you guys i noticed tend to overplay ak preflop especially in FR ... even against this ( i know i only got 150 hands) 3bet happy opponent? So how do you defend against regs that 3bet and maybe 4bet bluff you often? Do you ignore them and let them take little pieces of your money to avoid playing guessing games?

what myth and tom said r both obviously right.

i just don't play a big pot w/ ak when i think my opponent's most likely range is aa/kk/ak for value and some other random bluffs. its probly just better to fold this spot ... if a reg is gonna 3b and 4b bluff me ... i respond by narrowing my opening ranges, and 4bet and 5bet bluffing him--and would never be folding ak. that's not what's happening here.

That helps a lot guys! I see, I need more experiance in HUD reading. I see, I have to be much more selective with such risky plays and only do this with a very very big sample size / or detailed history.
@talentedtom: I will post my next hands without results .
This forum helps a lot. Thanks for taking your time! I try my best to improve my game.

greetings, X.

On August 11 2012 17:21 [vital]Myth wrote: "6/60" is not "3bet happy," it's "woke up with some hands recently and maybe 3bet somebody's button open light-ish once" over time you should come to find that you really need significant samples and/or direct experience (showdowns) from a player in order to make conclusions that he's out of line one way or another. you should filter your HUD to only display extremely basic stats like VPIP/PFR until you have a couple thousand hands on the opponent. well, really you should just disable your HUD but i know most people won't play without it.

I heard this recently from someone really good (Chaoren160), and it's something I find curious. I thought even the most HUD resistant players were HUDing it up nowadays.

I tried playing without a HUD today and found myself way, way, WAY more focused on the game --- it was a pretty strange (good) feeling. Be that as it may, it feels like in an ideal world the HUD shouldn't get in the way of playing like this... and I dont really know why it does -_-

On August 12 2012 09:34 TianYuan wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2012 17:21 [vital]Myth wrote: "6/60" is not "3bet happy," it's "woke up with some hands recently and maybe 3bet somebody's button open light-ish once" over time you should come to find that you really need significant samples and/or direct experience (showdowns) from a player in order to make conclusions that he's out of line one way or another. you should filter your HUD to only display extremely basic stats like VPIP/PFR until you have a couple thousand hands on the opponent. well, really you should just disable your HUD but i know most people won't play without it. I heard this recently from someone really good (Chaoren160), and it's something I find curious. I thought even the most HUD resistant players were HUDing it up nowadays. I tried playing without a HUD today and found myself way, way, WAY more focused on the game --- it was a pretty strange (good) feeling. Be that as it may, it feels like in an ideal world the HUD shouldn't get in the way of playing like this... and I dont really know why it does -_-

yeah i've been advocating that in my videos for years ... the thing is ... if you use the HUD correctly then it's always better to have it than not have it. but when you are getting into the mode where you are super reliant on it for every decision you make it becomes really liberating to just get rid of it for a bit and get comfortable making all decisions based on game flow. i def use a hud 95% of the time, but i also feel completely comfortable playing without one.

On August 12 2012 16:05 MARSHALL28 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2012 09:34 TianYuan wrote:   On August 11 2012 17:21 [vital]Myth wrote: "6/60" is not "3bet happy," it's "woke up with some hands recently and maybe 3bet somebody's button open light-ish once" over time you should come to find that you really need significant samples and/or direct experience (showdowns) from a player in order to make conclusions that he's out of line one way or another. you should filter your HUD to only display extremely basic stats like VPIP/PFR until you have a couple thousand hands on the opponent. well, really you should just disable your HUD but i know most people won't play without it. I heard this recently from someone really good (Chaoren160), and it's something I find curious. I thought even the most HUD resistant players were HUDing it up nowadays. I tried playing without a HUD today and found myself way, way, WAY more focused on the game --- it was a pretty strange (good) feeling. Be that as it may, it feels like in an ideal world the HUD shouldn't get in the way of playing like this... and I dont really know why it does -_- yeah i've been advocating that in my videos for years ... the thing is ... if you use the HUD correctly then it's always better to have it than not have it. but when you are getting into the mode where you are super reliant on it for every decision you make it becomes really liberating to just get rid of it for a bit and get comfortable making all decisions based on game flow. i def use a hud 95% of the time, but i also feel completely comfortable playing without one.

+1 to all of that basically. most important thing for novice players to understand is what i bolded. if you aren't already easily beating a game that gives you a lot of fulfillment and confidence as a player, then you have a lot of room for improvement. and when you're in the mode of trying to improve, a pretty HUD with all of the insane amount of attention it draws will only serve to distract you from better work that you could be doing. the HUD basically interferes with good paths toward getting better, because it draws a ton of focus to itself and improving HUD usage is only a very small part of improving as a player.

I only use the most basic stats in my HUD. Its funny you say most stats should have thousands of hands because I find i use them more for new players than regs. I have a good grasp of what regs are doing and usually dont bother looking much at their stats (in-game). I find them more helpful when say, I have not noticed the guy at my table who is playing 60/15 over 30 hands.