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On August 19 2012 15:17 uiCk wrote: Show nested quote + On August 19 2012 15:12 Loco wrote:   On August 19 2012 15:08 Zorglub wrote:   On August 19 2012 14:59 Loco wrote:   On August 19 2012 14:51 Zorglub wrote:   On August 19 2012 14:40 Loco wrote:   On August 19 2012 09:06 Zorglub wrote: [QUOTE]On August 19 2012 08:58 taco wrote: [QUOTE]On August 19 2012 07:30 Zorglub wrote: This totalitarian dictator is also you. And this totalitarian dictator makes everything you experience. Would you rather be without him, as in experiencing nothing for an eternity and killing yourself? Quite obviously, yes. Why does anything at all have to be better than nothing? I never understood this mentality, which is obviously the norm. A permanent negative state is better than nothing? Why is that? And why are there so many suicides, then? Nonsense, that's why. No one would prefer to live like Prometheus instead of stopping to exist. Our Sisyphus lives are only possible through keeping up some self-delusion, including life-affirmation through Nietzsche's eternal recurrence nonsense. If someone wakes up to being the slave of some higher being and his first thought is "hey this is better than nothing, I am experiencing slavery!" then he is an idiot, sorry to say. I do believe that we are all puppets, but unlike you I find nothing redeeming about it and see non-existence as clearly preferable. "No want is the greatest bliss." Obviously that is what you percieve. We are individuals, you might prefer nothing, I don't. Maybe the permanent negative state is comming from yourself or the way you percieve the world. I am no slave, I am a lucky motherfucker who will be able to experience anything and everything there is to experience for an eternity. And when I have experienced it all, I simply forget that I have experienced it, and enjoy the experience one more time. Someone once said if you change the way you percieve the world, the world will change. So you would rather live through Prometheus' punishment for an eternity than have no experience at all? And you expect anyone with intelligence to believe that? Well actually let's take an example that is other than mythological so that people can see what you really are saying here. You would still consider yourself "a lucky motherfucker who will be able to experience anything and everything there is for an eternity" if you were this guy who has locked-in syndrome and has been recently refused the right to assisted suicide? You "would just, one more time, enjoy the experience for an eternity?" If I never felt or thought that something was better, I would not know I was being punished. it would simply be "existence" for me. If I was born in a lake of fire, that would be normal for me, and if I never felt or imagined anything else as "better" I would think nothing of it, it would not even be a punishment, it would just be normal or "existence". Cool. Any thoughts on the part about the guy with almost complete body paralysis who used to enjoy being able to move his body? That's just one possibility that you could end up repeating for eternity isn't it? So you'd be excited to be him and "experience", right? that's Cruz the guy is actually just tricked by god to think he's paralyzed. Havant u been following the discussion?

Or maybe he does not even exist, maybe he and his story was planted there in order for you to feel "lucky".

On August 19 2012 15:25 Zorglub wrote: Show nested quote + On August 19 2012 15:17 uiCk wrote:   On August 19 2012 15:12 Loco wrote:   On August 19 2012 15:08 Zorglub wrote:   On August 19 2012 14:59 Loco wrote:   On August 19 2012 14:51 Zorglub wrote:   On August 19 2012 14:40 Loco wrote:   On August 19 2012 09:06 Zorglub wrote: [QUOTE]On August 19 2012 08:58 taco wrote: [QUOTE]On August 19 2012 07:30 Zorglub wrote: This totalitarian dictator is also you. And this totalitarian dictator makes everything you experience. Would you rather be without him, as in experiencing nothing for an eternity and killing yourself? Quite obviously, yes. Why does anything at all have to be better than nothing? I never understood this mentality, which is obviously the norm. A permanent negative state is better than nothing? Why is that? And why are there so many suicides, then? Nonsense, that's why. No one would prefer to live like Prometheus instead of stopping to exist. Our Sisyphus lives are only possible through keeping up some self-delusion, including life-affirmation through Nietzsche's eternal recurrence nonsense. If someone wakes up to being the slave of some higher being and his first thought is "hey this is better than nothing, I am experiencing slavery!" then he is an idiot, sorry to say. I do believe that we are all puppets, but unlike you I find nothing redeeming about it and see non-existence as clearly preferable. "No want is the greatest bliss." Obviously that is what you percieve. We are individuals, you might prefer nothing, I don't. Maybe the permanent negative state is comming from yourself or the way you percieve the world. I am no slave, I am a lucky motherfucker who will be able to experience anything and everything there is to experience for an eternity. And when I have experienced it all, I simply forget that I have experienced it, and enjoy the experience one more time. Someone once said if you change the way you percieve the world, the world will change. So you would rather live through Prometheus' punishment for an eternity than have no experience at all? And you expect anyone with intelligence to believe that? Well actually let's take an example that is other than mythological so that people can see what you really are saying here. You would still consider yourself "a lucky motherfucker who will be able to experience anything and everything there is for an eternity" if you were this guy who has locked-in syndrome and has been recently refused the right to assisted suicide? You "would just, one more time, enjoy the experience for an eternity?" If I never felt or thought that something was better, I would not know I was being punished. it would simply be "existence" for me. If I was born in a lake of fire, that would be normal for me, and if I never felt or imagined anything else as "better" I would think nothing of it, it would not even be a punishment, it would just be normal or "existence". Cool. Any thoughts on the part about the guy with almost complete body paralysis who used to enjoy being able to move his body? That's just one possibility that you could end up repeating for eternity isn't it? So you'd be excited to be him and "experience", right? that's Cruz the guy is actually just tricked by god to think he's paralyzed. Havant u been following the discussion? Or maybe he does not even exist, maybe he and his story was planted there in order for you to feel "lucky".

even more plausible

On August 19 2012 15:23 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On August 19 2012 15:21 Zorglub wrote:   On August 19 2012 15:12 Loco wrote:   On August 19 2012 15:08 Zorglub wrote:   On August 19 2012 14:59 Loco wrote:   On August 19 2012 14:51 Zorglub wrote:   On August 19 2012 14:40 Loco wrote:   On August 19 2012 09:06 Zorglub wrote: [QUOTE]On August 19 2012 08:58 taco wrote: [QUOTE]On August 19 2012 07:30 Zorglub wrote: This totalitarian dictator is also you. And this totalitarian dictator makes everything you experience. Would you rather be without him, as in experiencing nothing for an eternity and killing yourself? Quite obviously, yes. Why does anything at all have to be better than nothing? I never understood this mentality, which is obviously the norm. A permanent negative state is better than nothing? Why is that? And why are there so many suicides, then? Nonsense, that's why. No one would prefer to live like Prometheus instead of stopping to exist. Our Sisyphus lives are only possible through keeping up some self-delusion, including life-affirmation through Nietzsche's eternal recurrence nonsense. If someone wakes up to being the slave of some higher being and his first thought is "hey this is better than nothing, I am experiencing slavery!" then he is an idiot, sorry to say. I do believe that we are all puppets, but unlike you I find nothing redeeming about it and see non-existence as clearly preferable. "No want is the greatest bliss." Obviously that is what you percieve. We are individuals, you might prefer nothing, I don't. Maybe the permanent negative state is comming from yourself or the way you percieve the world. I am no slave, I am a lucky motherfucker who will be able to experience anything and everything there is to experience for an eternity. And when I have experienced it all, I simply forget that I have experienced it, and enjoy the experience one more time. Someone once said if you change the way you percieve the world, the world will change. So you would rather live through Prometheus' punishment for an eternity than have no experience at all? And you expect anyone with intelligence to believe that? Well actually let's take an example that is other than mythological so that people can see what you really are saying here. You would still consider yourself "a lucky motherfucker who will be able to experience anything and everything there is for an eternity" if you were this guy who has locked-in syndrome and has been recently refused the right to assisted suicide? You "would just, one more time, enjoy the experience for an eternity?" If I never felt or thought that something was better, I would not know I was being punished. it would simply be "existence" for me. If I was born in a lake of fire, that would be normal for me, and if I never felt or imagined anything else as "better" I would think nothing of it, it would not even be a punishment, it would just be normal or "existence". Cool. Any thoughts on the part about the guy with almost complete body paralysis who used to enjoy being able to move his body? That's just one possibility that you could end up repeating for eternity isn't it? So you'd be excited to be him and "experience", right? Maybe that is why nothing is permanent and lives end at some point, so you will never end up in a permanent bad experience. Instead you can start another experience? Which part of him allows him to start another experience exactly? He cannot kill himself, he's "locked-in" and he was denied the right to have help to end his life. But anyway, you clearly think his life is worth living don't you? You'd live his life in a heart-beat since anything is better than nothing, isn't it?

Don't you think he will "die" some day? But I don't really believe there is any life at all, it is an illusion. There is only experience. So the guy is a concept, a thought, planted there to be part of your experience, he does not exist, he does not feel or want anything. You make all that up because of what you read and imagine about him, seen from your own perspective.

On August 19 2012 15:30 Zorglub wrote: Show nested quote + On August 19 2012 15:23 Loco wrote:   On August 19 2012 15:21 Zorglub wrote:   On August 19 2012 15:12 Loco wrote:   On August 19 2012 15:08 Zorglub wrote:   On August 19 2012 14:59 Loco wrote:   On August 19 2012 14:51 Zorglub wrote:   On August 19 2012 14:40 Loco wrote:   On August 19 2012 09:06 Zorglub wrote: [QUOTE]On August 19 2012 08:58 taco wrote: [QUOTE]On August 19 2012 07:30 Zorglub wrote: This totalitarian dictator is also you. And this totalitarian dictator makes everything you experience. Would you rather be without him, as in experiencing nothing for an eternity and killing yourself? Quite obviously, yes. Why does anything at all have to be better than nothing? I never understood this mentality, which is obviously the norm. A permanent negative state is better than nothing? Why is that? And why are there so many suicides, then? Nonsense, that's why. No one would prefer to live like Prometheus instead of stopping to exist. Our Sisyphus lives are only possible through keeping up some self-delusion, including life-affirmation through Nietzsche's eternal recurrence nonsense. If someone wakes up to being the slave of some higher being and his first thought is "hey this is better than nothing, I am experiencing slavery!" then he is an idiot, sorry to say. I do believe that we are all puppets, but unlike you I find nothing redeeming about it and see non-existence as clearly preferable. "No want is the greatest bliss." Obviously that is what you percieve. We are individuals, you might prefer nothing, I don't. Maybe the permanent negative state is comming from yourself or the way you percieve the world. I am no slave, I am a lucky motherfucker who will be able to experience anything and everything there is to experience for an eternity. And when I have experienced it all, I simply forget that I have experienced it, and enjoy the experience one more time. Someone once said if you change the way you percieve the world, the world will change. So you would rather live through Prometheus' punishment for an eternity than have no experience at all? And you expect anyone with intelligence to believe that? Well actually let's take an example that is other than mythological so that people can see what you really are saying here. You would still consider yourself "a lucky motherfucker who will be able to experience anything and everything there is for an eternity" if you were this guy who has locked-in syndrome and has been recently refused the right to assisted suicide? You "would just, one more time, enjoy the experience for an eternity?" If I never felt or thought that something was better, I would not know I was being punished. it would simply be "existence" for me. If I was born in a lake of fire, that would be normal for me, and if I never felt or imagined anything else as "better" I would think nothing of it, it would not even be a punishment, it would just be normal or "existence". Cool. Any thoughts on the part about the guy with almost complete body paralysis who used to enjoy being able to move his body? That's just one possibility that you could end up repeating for eternity isn't it? So you'd be excited to be him and "experience", right? Maybe that is why nothing is permanent and lives end at some point, so you will never end up in a permanent bad experience. Instead you can start another experience? Which part of him allows him to start another experience exactly? He cannot kill himself, he's "locked-in" and he was denied the right to have help to end his life. But anyway, you clearly think his life is worth living don't you? You'd live his life in a heart-beat since anything is better than nothing, isn't it? Don't you think he will "die" some day? But I don't really believe there is any life at all, it is an illusion. There is only experience. So the guy is a concept, a thought, planted there to be part of your experience, he does not exist, he does not feel or wan't anything, you make all that up because of what you read and imagine about him.

there is a concept that explains what your belief system is and your point of view, its called fatalism , and more or less predeterminism .

On August 19 2012 15:36 uiCk wrote: Show nested quote + On August 19 2012 15:30 Zorglub wrote:   On August 19 2012 15:23 Loco wrote:   On August 19 2012 15:21 Zorglub wrote:   On August 19 2012 15:12 Loco wrote:   On August 19 2012 15:08 Zorglub wrote:   On August 19 2012 14:59 Loco wrote:   On August 19 2012 14:51 Zorglub wrote:   On August 19 2012 14:40 Loco wrote:   On August 19 2012 09:06 Zorglub wrote: [QUOTE]On August 19 2012 08:58 taco wrote: [QUOTE]On August 19 2012 07:30 Zorglub wrote: This totalitarian dictator is also you. And this totalitarian dictator makes everything you experience. Would you rather be without him, as in experiencing nothing for an eternity and killing yourself? Quite obviously, yes. Why does anything at all have to be better than nothing? I never understood this mentality, which is obviously the norm. A permanent negative state is better than nothing? Why is that? And why are there so many suicides, then? Nonsense, that's why. No one would prefer to live like Prometheus instead of stopping to exist. Our Sisyphus lives are only possible through keeping up some self-delusion, including life-affirmation through Nietzsche's eternal recurrence nonsense. If someone wakes up to being the slave of some higher being and his first thought is "hey this is better than nothing, I am experiencing slavery!" then he is an idiot, sorry to say. I do believe that we are all puppets, but unlike you I find nothing redeeming about it and see non-existence as clearly preferable. "No want is the greatest bliss." Obviously that is what you percieve. We are individuals, you might prefer nothing, I don't. Maybe the permanent negative state is comming from yourself or the way you percieve the world. I am no slave, I am a lucky motherfucker who will be able to experience anything and everything there is to experience for an eternity. And when I have experienced it all, I simply forget that I have experienced it, and enjoy the experience one more time. Someone once said if you change the way you percieve the world, the world will change. So you would rather live through Prometheus' punishment for an eternity than have no experience at all? And you expect anyone with intelligence to believe that? Well actually let's take an example that is other than mythological so that people can see what you really are saying here. You would still consider yourself "a lucky motherfucker who will be able to experience anything and everything there is for an eternity" if you were this guy who has locked-in syndrome and has been recently refused the right to assisted suicide? You "would just, one more time, enjoy the experience for an eternity?" If I never felt or thought that something was better, I would not know I was being punished. it would simply be "existence" for me. If I was born in a lake of fire, that would be normal for me, and if I never felt or imagined anything else as "better" I would think nothing of it, it would not even be a punishment, it would just be normal or "existence". Cool. Any thoughts on the part about the guy with almost complete body paralysis who used to enjoy being able to move his body? That's just one possibility that you could end up repeating for eternity isn't it? So you'd be excited to be him and "experience", right? Maybe that is why nothing is permanent and lives end at some point, so you will never end up in a permanent bad experience. Instead you can start another experience? Which part of him allows him to start another experience exactly? He cannot kill himself, he's "locked-in" and he was denied the right to have help to end his life. But anyway, you clearly think his life is worth living don't you? You'd live his life in a heart-beat since anything is better than nothing, isn't it? Don't you think he will "die" some day? But I don't really believe there is any life at all, it is an illusion. There is only experience. So the guy is a concept, a thought, planted there to be part of your experience, he does not exist, he does not feel or wan't anything, you make all that up because of what you read and imagine about him. there is a concept that explains what your belief system is and your point of view, its called fatalism , and more or less predeterminism .

Fatalism no, predetermination yes or you could call it planned experience. There is no other way if an omniscient God started it all (by our logic, which may not be the truth, be we have nothing else to go from).

You have nothing else to go from, because your OCD behavior will never let you close out the thought of existence with an unknown. There is absolutely no need to go from anywhere since it is an unknown and only a person with OCD 'needs' to know, as their brain will not shut of or deviate to another idea until his original idea has closure. Compare that to odd guy who will not be able to think about anything until he is absolutely sure that his fridge door is closed properly. You can explain a lot through human behavior and mainly neurology and its fields

On August 19 2012 15:55 uiCk wrote: You have nothing else to go from, because your OCD behavior will never let you close out the thought of existence with an unknown. There is absolutely no need to go from anywhere since it is an unknown and only a person with OCD 'needs' to know, as their brain will not shut of or deviate to another idea until his original idea has closure. Compare that to odd guy who will not be able to think about anything until he is absolutely sure that his fridge door is closed properly. You can explain a lot through human behavior and mainly neurology and its fields

Heh perhaps I got the OCD experience, but I have no problems with an unknown, in fact I will always have an unknown or a chance that I might be wrong but that doesn't prevent me from speculating. I like to think about stuff like this, seen from your perspective it might sound odd, but maybe I would think exactly the same about your interests?

On August 19 2012 14:23 Zorglub wrote: Show nested quote + On August 19 2012 14:21 taco wrote:   On August 19 2012 14:12 Zorglub wrote: He would run the universe so he could experience it as you and I. Yet he would not feel curiosity because it is not convenient for you, Childslayer? If you know everything you would probably have to deliberatly forget some of it, in order to be curious. Dont you think? He made the universe, he made the child, he could slay anything he wanted to, as "me". In the end he would only be slaying himself or his own illusions. Do you get it? You are too late, I dont have a guilty conscience any more, I can only laugh about the concept.

80 people are on my Counter-Strike servers right now.
They can run, walk, move, use things and interact with each other. Yet they do not know I completely control them?
At any point in time I could intercept them, freeze them, kill them, kick them, lift them, slow them down,
and yet I do not yet know what any of them are about to do, what any of them are going to do, what any of them would do if I did any of the aforementioned.

Why do you think it's reasonable of you to give yourself the axiomatic premise that it is a different case with any and every theoretical God?

I do not think it is.

Just like with conscious beings in the universe you can say that if there is a God that our free choice is a mere illusion
yet you would not say the exact same things about the Counter-Strike players?

Is their freedom in Counter-Strike just an illusion if I do not control what they do?

I can tell any one of them to "Teamkill Zorglub or else" and yet they can choose not to. I could physically intercept and force that player
to teamkill Zorglub yet it was my decision to do so and not theirs.

Your position is logically pathetic in my honest opinion.

On August 19 2012 16:12 taco wrote: Show nested quote + On August 19 2012 14:23 Zorglub wrote:   On August 19 2012 14:21 taco wrote:   On August 19 2012 14:12 Zorglub wrote: He would run the universe so he could experience it as you and I. Yet he would not feel curiosity because it is not convenient for you, Childslayer? If you know everything you would probably have to deliberatly forget some of it, in order to be curious. Dont you think? He made the universe, he made the child, he could slay anything he wanted to, as "me". In the end he would only be slaying himself or his own illusions. Do you get it? You are too late, I dont have a guilty conscience any more, I can only laugh about the concept. 80 people are on my Counter-Strike servers right now. They can run, walk, move, use things and interact with each other. Yet they do not know I completely control them? At any point in time I could intercept them, freeze them, kill them, kick them, lift them, slow them down, and yet I do not yet know what any of them are about to do, what any of them are going to do, what any of them would do if I did any of the aforementioned. Why do you think it's reasonable of you to give yourself the axiomatic premise that it is a different case with any and every theoretical God? I do not think it is. Just like with conscious beings in the universe you can say that if there is a God that our free choice is a mere illusion yet you would not say the exact same things about the Counter-Strike players? Is their freedom in Counter-Strike just an illusion if I do not control what they do? I can tell any one of them to "Teamkill Zorglub or else" and yet they can choose not to. I could physically intercept and force that player to teamkill Zorglub yet it was my decision to do so and not theirs. Your position is logically pathetic in my honest opinion.

You seem to have missed the very oftenly used concepts in relation to God, those are my premises. Omnipotence, omniscience, omnibenevolence. In your example you seem to have omnipotence (or almost), but you dont have any omniscience.

And could you please MOTHERFUCKINGLY STUPID RETARDED ASSHOLE, STOP YOUR RETARDED SLURS IN A CIVIL DISCUSSION, THANK YOU!

On August 19 2012 16:01 Zorglub wrote: Show nested quote + On August 19 2012 15:55 uiCk wrote: You have nothing else to go from, because your OCD behavior will never let you close out the thought of existence with an unknown. There is absolutely no need to go from anywhere since it is an unknown and only a person with OCD 'needs' to know, as their brain will not shut of or deviate to another idea until his original idea has closure. Compare that to odd guy who will not be able to think about anything until he is absolutely sure that his fridge door is closed properly. You can explain a lot through human behavior and mainly neurology and its fields Heh perhaps I got the OCD experience, but I have no problems with an unknown, in fact I will always have an unknown or a chance that I might be wrong but that doesn't prevent me from speculating. I like to think about stuff like this, seen from your perspective it might sound odd, but maybe I would think exactly the same about your interests?

we all have ocd .just different levels. I know I have ocd (very low level since have some control over It, like most people) proof being here trying to convince you that you should not apply your beliefs to everything around you, which IMO gives you a seriously biased way of life (very outdated bias that with modern advancments in human knowledge just makes it not plausible nor necessary for humans. Time to move on to more complex ideas that are achievable with the tools we posse). There is a reason why the originator of islamic rituals has people praying exactly 5 times a day, repeating a given prayer x amount of times during each cycle. Only ocd behavior can lead you to totally arbitrary numbers, that need the repetition factor. Think about the gambler who has to kiss its cross before throwing the dice. Think about that very common behavior: knocking on wood. Or all other superstitions, have one thing in common, its an OCD behavior. This is not my observation, but observation of by neuro behaviouralist specialist that teaches at Sanford. Posted the video many times, of him giving a class on that subject.

On August 19 2012 16:27 uiCk wrote: Show nested quote + On August 19 2012 16:01 Zorglub wrote:   On August 19 2012 15:55 uiCk wrote: You have nothing else to go from, because your OCD behavior will never let you close out the thought of existence with an unknown. There is absolutely no need to go from anywhere since it is an unknown and only a person with OCD 'needs' to know, as their brain will not shut of or deviate to another idea until his original idea has closure. Compare that to odd guy who will not be able to think about anything until he is absolutely sure that his fridge door is closed properly. You can explain a lot through human behavior and mainly neurology and its fields Heh perhaps I got the OCD experience, but I have no problems with an unknown, in fact I will always have an unknown or a chance that I might be wrong but that doesn't prevent me from speculating. I like to think about stuff like this, seen from your perspective it might sound odd, but maybe I would think exactly the same about your interests? we all have ocd .just different levels. I know I have ocd (very low level since have some control over It, like most people) proof being here trying to convince you that you should not apply your beliefs to everything around you, which IMO gives you a seriously biased way of life (very outdated bias that with modern advancments in human knowledge just makes it not plausible nor necessary for humans. Time to move on to more complex ideas that are achievable with the tools we posse). There is a reason why the originator of islamic rituals has people praying exactly 5 times a day, repeating a given prayer x amount of times during each cycle. Only ocd behavior can lead you to totally arbitrary numbers, that need the repetition factor. Think about the gambler who has to kiss its cross before throwing the dice. Think about that very common behavior: knocking on wood. Or all other superstitions, have one thing in common, its an OCD behavior. This is not my observation, but observation of by neuro behaviouralist specialist that teaches at Sanford. Posted the video many times, of him giving a class on that subject.

I don't have any of that at all, I thought about ADD, that I may have to some extent. I do repeat behaviour though but only because I like doing it (reading, thinking etc), it is not a compulsion it is just what I like to do.

Its just what I like to do - is really just you receiving happiness from repeat behavior. Most people have a degree of that. And like you have argued the whole time, what you like is obviously not the reason, since you are tricked into liking it. No? Ur not applying what u preach, which just makes all your points invalid imo.

Also, I don't tink odd and add are bad qualities at a balanced level. Problem is when the 'qualitiy' controls you instead of controlling it. For example add, theoretically, can be some sort of attribute that gives you more power to multi task. Theoretically speaking, because real add and real ocd is really just pain full thing to live with, citing people I know who need to scrub their hands from all dead skin. Which to me is quite pararel to yo and other (billions of people) who have to apply your god model belief to your everyday reality, even though its purely belief and speculation. Of course you are not like the others, because you don't practice their rituals (I wonder why?)

On August 19 2012 16:27 Zorglub wrote: You seem to have missed the very oftenly used concepts in relation to God, those are my premises. Omnipotence, omniscience, omnibenevolence. In your example you seem to have omnipotence (or almost), but you dont have any omniscience.

Except that even if we have our god omniscient he still does not know what is going to happen in the future if there are conscious beings capable of making choices.

And not even all fucking Christian theologians give themselves the premise that God knows as much as you give yourself that he does.
How the fuck do you expect it to be reasonable that a completely-omniscient God is the only one possible?

How the fuck is it reasonable to bring this axiom into the discussion at its end?

On August 19 2012 16:27 Zorglub wrote: And could you please MOTHERFUCKINGLY STUPID RETARDED ASSHOLE, STOP YOUR RETARDED SLURS IN A CIVIL DISCUSSION, THANK YOU!

Civil discussion is not = rambling mumbling fumbling and not-answering-questions. Don't ask me to stop fucking slurring when you can't even converse half-properly.

I'm not conversing with you any more as you just give yourself axioms in other people's theoretical questions.

On August 19 2012 16:47 uiCk wrote: Its just what I like to do - is really just you receiving happiness from repeat behavior. Most people have a degree of that. And like you have argued the whole time, what you like is obviously not the reason, since you are tricked into liking it. No? Ur not applying what u preach, which just makes all your points invalid imo.

Listen I have to talk in an "ordinary world" way when we don't talk about supernatural speculation. So I answered you in an ordinary world way.

Here is the real explanation: God who is also me, planned this experience for the virtual me, in order that God could live in and experience his own creation as me. Therefore he has cheated me who is infact himself also, into believing I am this concept of a human being.

Oh OK, so we are back to me being tricked, in tricking you, who is tricking me, so I can trick god, who is actually tricking us in tricking each other, that we are being tricked into believing that we are not tricked.

Got it.

On August 19 2012 16:50 taco wrote: Show nested quote + On August 19 2012 16:27 Zorglub wrote: You seem to have missed the very oftenly used concepts in relation to God, those are my premises. Omnipotence, omniscience, omnibenevolence. In your example you seem to have omnipotence (or almost), but you dont have any omniscience. Except that even if we have our god omniscient he still does not know what is going to happen in the future if there are conscious beings capable of making choices. And not even all fucking Christian theologians give themselves the premise that God knows as much as you give yourself that he does. How the fuck do you expect it to be reasonable that a completely-omniscient God is the only one possible? How the fuck is it reasonable to bring this axiom into the discussion at its end?   On August 19 2012 16:27 Zorglub wrote: And could you please MOTHERFUCKINGLY STUPID RETARDED ASSHOLE, STOP YOUR RETARDED SLURS IN A CIVIL DISCUSSION, THANK YOU! Civil discussion is not = rambling mumbling fumbling and not-answering-questions. Don't ask me to stop fucking slurring when you can't even converse half-properly. I'm not conversing with you any more as you just give yourself axioms in other people's theoretical questions.

Listen dude, it is quite simple. God know everything that is ever going to happen, God starts universe. Do you think God knew exactly what everyone would be doing after that? Does that mean he knew every choice we would take? Does that mean we can have a free will, if God set it all in motion and knew excatly what we would choose and why we would do it? Do you think you really made the choice yourself or did he make it for you even before you existed?

On August 19 2012 16:58 uiCk wrote: Oh OK, so we are back to me being tricked, in tricking you, who is tricking me, so I can trick god, who is actually tricking us in tricking each other, that we are being tricked into believing that we are not tricked. Got it.

It is not really a trick, it is a gift. I/we are an omniscient God, that means if we know that fact, we can not experience anything new. There is nothing "new" or unknown to God he has seen it all and know it all. That is exactly why he "tricks" us, because if he did not do that, we would be God incapable of new experiences.

Everything we experience is the knowledge that was hidden from us.

On August 19 2012 17:00 Zorglub wrote: Show nested quote + On August 19 2012 16:50 taco wrote:   On August 19 2012 16:27 Zorglub wrote: You seem to have missed the very oftenly used concepts in relation to God, those are my premises. Omnipotence, omniscience, omnibenevolence. In your example you seem to have omnipotence (or almost), but you dont have any omniscience. Except that even if we have our god omniscient he still does not know what is going to happen in the future if there are conscious beings capable of making choices. And not even all fucking Christian theologians give themselves the premise that God knows as much as you give yourself that he does. How the fuck do you expect it to be reasonable that a completely-omniscient God is the only one possible? How the fuck is it reasonable to bring this axiom into the discussion at its end?   On August 19 2012 16:27 Zorglub wrote: And could you please MOTHERFUCKINGLY STUPID RETARDED ASSHOLE, STOP YOUR RETARDED SLURS IN A CIVIL DISCUSSION, THANK YOU! Civil discussion is not = rambling mumbling fumbling and not-answering-questions. Don't ask me to stop fucking slurring when you can't even converse half-properly. I'm not conversing with you any more as you just give yourself axioms in other people's theoretical questions. Listen dude, it is quite simple. God know everything that is ever going to happen, God starts universe. Do you think God knew exactly what everyone would be doing after that? Does that mean he knew every choice we would take? Does that mean we can have a free will, if God set it all in motion and knew excatly what we would choose and why we would do it? Do you think you really made the choice yourself or did he make it for you even before you existed?

or u can go one step further and say the choice was made by all of us. By us I mean us and all the forces of the cosmos. Why does there need to be 1 person that makes the decision? Why can't it be a synergious and collective decision? Influenced by everything around you including gravity? Shit that is observable you know?

Oh yes, we were tricked into thinking we observe. Duh.

Ur shits restarted and taco is right, you leech on peoples ideas and incorporate them to strengthen your personal belief. Prove can be seen in fact you have yet to answer, negate any of my hundreds of statements I have made, and continuasly keep repeating and not explaingng, but stating, your belief.

Its like if the evolution of science has led to the evolution of religious people into incorporating rational in their beliefs. Which is very true and fucked up.

On August 19 2012 17:09 uiCk wrote: Show nested quote + On August 19 2012 17:00 Zorglub wrote:   On August 19 2012 16:50 taco wrote:   On August 19 2012 16:27 Zorglub wrote: You seem to have missed the very oftenly used concepts in relation to God, those are my premises. Omnipotence, omniscience, omnibenevolence. In your example you seem to have omnipotence (or almost), but you dont have any omniscience. Except that even if we have our god omniscient he still does not know what is going to happen in the future if there are conscious beings capable of making choices. And not even all fucking Christian theologians give themselves the premise that God knows as much as you give yourself that he does. How the fuck do you expect it to be reasonable that a completely-omniscient God is the only one possible? How the fuck is it reasonable to bring this axiom into the discussion at its end?   On August 19 2012 16:27 Zorglub wrote: And could you please MOTHERFUCKINGLY STUPID RETARDED ASSHOLE, STOP YOUR RETARDED SLURS IN A CIVIL DISCUSSION, THANK YOU! Civil discussion is not = rambling mumbling fumbling and not-answering-questions. Don't ask me to stop fucking slurring when you can't even converse half-properly. I'm not conversing with you any more as you just give yourself axioms in other people's theoretical questions. Listen dude, it is quite simple. God know everything that is ever going to happen, God starts universe. Do you think God knew exactly what everyone would be doing after that? Does that mean he knew every choice we would take? Does that mean we can have a free will, if God set it all in motion and knew excatly what we would choose and why we would do it? Do you think you really made the choice yourself or did he make it for you even before you existed? or u can go one step further and say the choice was made by all of us. By us I mean us and all the forces of the cosmos. Why does there need to be 1 person that makes the decision? Why can't it be a synergious and collective decision? Influenced by everything around you including gravity? Shit that is observable you know? Oh yes, we were tricked into thinking we observe. Duh.

That could be what is happening. But there would still have to be some kind of overmind coordinating it all. But we could be individual pieces of God performing his will expressed through our own individual will, that is also possible.