I dunno is 5/10 considered HS?

Anyways ... anonymous tables, guy seemed reg-ish but hard to tell.

5/10 blinds, ~1200 effective stacks

Tc9c I make it 30 from MP. All fold, but SB calls

9d8d3c, he chks I bet 40 he makes it ~140, I call

turn Ts, he chks, I bet 280 into ~360, he c/r to something like 700, can't remember exactly, but he left somewhere around 480 behind.

Go all in or fold?

Such a weird line and sizing I can't really imagine it being a bluff.

I'd probably check turn if a cr puts me in a bad spot here.

trying to get value and protection from JT/QT/Txdd expected a c/r here very infrequently.

On August 05 2012 22:46 MARSHALL28 wrote: trying to get value and protection from JT/QT/Txdd expected a c/r here very infrequently.

Yeah I dunno if you can get two streets vs those anyway, so it's not worth the risk of getting blown off your hand. I can't fault betting, it's a very natural play, but looking villain up is just so expensive here.

Without strong reads I just don't want to play a large pot so marginal. Check flop, fold flop, or check turn. Our hand is about equivalent to an overpair, and stacking off with an overpair blind is just not good.

On August 05 2012 23:18 NMcNasty wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2012 22:46 MARSHALL28 wrote: trying to get value and protection from JT/QT/Txdd expected a c/r here very infrequently. Yeah I dunno if you can get two streets vs those anyway, so it's not worth the risk of getting blown off your hand. I can't fault betting, it's a very natural play, but looking villain up is just so expensive here. Without strong reads I just don't want to play a large pot so marginal. Check flop, fold flop, or check turn. Our hand is about equivalent to an overpair, and stacking off with an overpair blind is just not good.

dunno how to say this nicely and i know people flip out on me when i say stuff like this but ...seriously ... if u play that way you are gonna get smashed.

betting turn is a must for protection/value. we are getting c/r here like 2% of the time so it's not like we are getting exploited.

honestly i don't know why someone would c/r this turn at 120bb except that they would have to pot size bet/ or overbet a turn to commit themselves with some sort of draw if they barreled turn, and the change in bet sizing would make them look suspicious so they c/r instead.

i would probably just stick it in.

I dont see why would he check back a hand on turn if he has you beat? Does he nut his pants when he check raises someone?

On August 06 2012 00:50 MARSHALL28 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2012 23:18 NMcNasty wrote:   On August 05 2012 22:46 MARSHALL28 wrote: trying to get value and protection from JT/QT/Txdd expected a c/r here very infrequently. Yeah I dunno if you can get two streets vs those anyway, so it's not worth the risk of getting blown off your hand. I can't fault betting, it's a very natural play, but looking villain up is just so expensive here. Without strong reads I just don't want to play a large pot so marginal. Check flop, fold flop, or check turn. Our hand is about equivalent to an overpair, and stacking off with an overpair blind is just not good. dunno how to say this nicely and i know people flip out on me when i say stuff like this but ...seriously ... if u play that way you are gonna get smashed.

Been playing like that for years at 5/10 and have never had a problem. I know there's a "TPTK Allin!!!" meme out there, but your average 5/10 reg is a lot nittier than people realize.

what site do you play 5/10 at?

Puke spot but I probably don't fold w given information. My read in these spots largely depends on how often I think he's c/r flop, and vs nitty regs, T9 isn't going to be very strong on that flop. Checking back the turn seems terrible barring any specific reads, just caz you soooo rarely get c/r in these spots. Overall, I just don't fold top of my range vs unknowns because I want to see what they have in these spots to get a better read for the next time.

On August 06 2012 12:50 MARSHALL28 wrote: what site do you play 5/10 at?

Played 5/10+ at stars and full tilt for at least 6 years, live and merge since black friday.

I'll admit I have no experience with anonymous tables, but it seems that should make you far more inclined to make the conservative play. There's a lot less metagame value for villain in making
a big bluff here, and there's less value in calling for information and establishing an unbluffable image.

Also about checking turn, its as much to induce a river bluff as it is to avoid a 3bet.

I saw this happen once, ONCE, the double check raise. I thought it was the sickest thing ever and I've always wanted to use it in my own game, but the only time I could ever think of it was for value vs a very aggro opponent. As I recall stacks were a bit deeper and villain ended up lead-shoving on the river at which point hero (not me) tank folded. No idea what either of them had but I suspect a similar spot.

that c/raise on turn is very rarely a bluff but at the same time I would think a made hand would just go all in, because he leaves you odds to call and try to hit some combo stuff.., I would think it's either QJ, QJdd or a draw so it's all in for me.

On August 07 2012 17:18 locoo wrote: that c/raise on turn is very rarely a bluff but at the same time I would think a made hand would just go all in, because he leaves you odds to call and try to hit some combo stuff.., I would think it's either QJ, QJdd or a draw so it's all in for me.

yes what i thought too. i went all in. he had qjo

On August 07 2012 17:18 locoo wrote: that c/raise on turn is very rarely a bluff but at the same time I would think a made hand would just go all in, because he leaves you odds to call and try to hit some combo stuff.., I would think it's either QJ, QJdd or a draw so it's all in for me.

wouldnt a draw blast off as well? a decent one at least would, maybe a really weak one would do this

I shove most of the time, unless villain has a super high % equity when all in average

On August 08 2012 00:22 Fayth wrote: I shove most of the time, unless villain has a super high % equity when all in average

what do u mean exactly?

which stat r u using that im not here? very interested to know.

my first instinct would be he has like qjdd but not gonna fold anyways as it could just as easily be something like tdxd draw


don't understand the dude's checkraise with this hand

its probably near the bottom of your shoving range; which makes it close to a fold...depends on villain really but in a vacuum its probably near bottom of a shoving range

for you to check turn for pot control you would pretty much need a range of set/str/bluff...i mean you can do that, seems pretty exploitative though

that being said this particular board run-out seems like a good one to pot control wide because both 67s and QJs/QJo(sometimes) are likely c/r flop candidates, also might make it closer to a fold in vacuum

in that case it might be closer to a pot control while you b/f weaker hands like overpairs...depends on how much value you put on that 67/QJ factor i suppose

ehhh honestly.

as played i almost always fold, even on an anon. table. the absolute best case scenario you are up against a draw, probably multiple draws.

that being said, on an anon table i don't agree there is great value in betting the turn when they take this flop action. not even to pot control but to induce on rivers or potentially bluff depending on board run out if you don't improve.

guess i play weird though.

On August 11 2012 16:32 nolan wrote: ehhh honestly. as played i almost always fold, even on an anon. table. the absolute best case scenario you are up against a draw, probably multiple draws. that being said, on an anon table i don't agree there is great value in betting the turn when they take this flop action. not even to pot control but to induce on rivers or potentially bluff depending on board run out if you don't improve. guess i play weird though.

would you prefer to b/f the flop then? if we arent happy betting on this turn when chkd to...

nah, i bet that shit, then call a raise. then if they check the turn, i check it back like a boss.

On August 12 2012 08:53 nolan wrote: nah, i bet that shit, then call a raise. then if they check the turn, i check it back like a boss.

see that interests me cuz i would think to bet the turn for value/pot control. would you mind giving a quick rundown of what your plan would be on different types of rivers facing different type of action and why you think that's more profitable than the line that everybody else thinks is best which is to b/get it in on the turn?

marshalll u know i ch back turn.... NITLIFE bitches

and NAsty has been playing 2/4+ for like 50years =)

On August 12 2012 19:16 D_Zoo wrote: marshalll u know i ch back turn.... NITLIFE bitches and NAsty has been playing 2/4+ for like 50years =)

u dont talk poker w/ me anymore since like 2 years ago ... thought we were buddies...

wtf allin

On August 12 2012 16:03 MARSHALL28 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2012 08:53 nolan wrote: nah, i bet that shit, then call a raise. then if they check the turn, i check it back like a boss. see that interests me cuz i would think to bet the turn for value/pot control. would you mind giving a quick rundown of what your plan would be on different types of rivers facing different type of action and why you think that's more profitable than the line that everybody else thinks is best which is to b/get it in on the turn?

if the river was a scary card i'd probably jam if he bets, and either jam or check back if he checks.

it kind of depends. i know its a copout answer but im tired at the moment ill write more detail tmrw.

On August 12 2012 23:09 nolan wrote: [QUOTE]On August 12 2012 16:03 MARSHALL28 wrote: [QUOTE]On August 12 2012 08:53 nolan wrote: it kind of depends. i know its a copout answer but im tired at the moment ill write more detail tmrw.

plz do