UFC on Fox: Shogun vs. Vera - Page 3

fucking super athletes with no balls, i want to live in a world where Silva moves up to LHW and where JJ does the same to HW.

On August 01 2012 20:10 Baalim wrote: fucking super athletes with no balls, i want to live in a world where Silva moves up to LHW and where JJ does the same to HW.

Unlike Silva & GSP I do believe Jones is confident enough in his abilities to move up and fight champs.

I believe he was talking about doing it awhile ago. I think Dana is the one who said he should wait and completely clear out 205.

Not to mention Jones is still young and growing, so it's possible he will have to move to HW.

So I expect him there in the next couple years.

Hopefully he does, its pathetic that their egos about being undefeated and shit is more important than to challenge themselves.

that's why people respect bj penn. he didnt give a fuck at all. i remember him fighting machida in japan and also moving up to welterweight(not looking great for his body frame) and beating the shit out of matt hughes - a wrassler

On August 01 2012 20:58 Baalim wrote: Hopefully he does, its pathetic that their egos about being undefeated and shit is more important than to challenge themselves.

[ ] Egos
[x] Tens and tens of millions of dollars

Anderson Silva makes millions upon millions of dollars per fight, why would he want to change that?
Why would his manager which likely gets a percentage want to change that?

On August 01 2012 22:37 taco wrote: Show nested quote + On August 01 2012 20:58 Baalim wrote: Hopefully he does, its pathetic that their egos about being undefeated and shit is more important than to challenge themselves. [ ] Egos [x] Tens and tens of millions of dollars Anderson Silva makes millions upon millions of dollars per fight, why would he want to change that? Why would his manager which likely gets a percentage want to change that?

Are you serious? Silva could make much more money if he took risks, how much do you think the UFC would be willing to pay for some superfights like Silva vs GSP or Silva vs any good LHW, who gives a shit about Middle weight now, the division is absolutely clean, Silva will retire beating on chumps.

since when is phil davis prelim material, as usual WAR LAUZON!

this is a really good free card, way better then the most recent PPV with faber

Untill Jones actually moves up and fights top HW's it's all speculation. I think the only 205'er anderson silva prob wont fight is exactly jon jones, I think he would gladly fight anyone else

I wouldn't mind seeing Anderson vs. Shogun at 205.

Shogun wouldn't get submitted, and while Anderson is faster and more technical with his overall striking, Shogun has a good chin, can take a lot of punishment, and always moves forward and keeps up the pressure.

fighters can't really retire without "pushing it". ive never heard of any fighter in the history of combat sports who just quit while they were so ahead. he will eventually fight a younger guy who will bash his head in. fighting is all theyve done and they only really quit when they cant do it anymore.

On August 01 2012 23:37 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On August 01 2012 22:37 taco wrote:   On August 01 2012 20:58 Baalim wrote: Hopefully he does, its pathetic that their egos about being undefeated and shit is more important than to challenge themselves. [ ] Egos [x] Tens and tens of millions of dollars Anderson Silva makes millions upon millions of dollars per fight, why would he want to change that? Why would his manager which likely gets a percentage want to change that? Are you serious? Silva could make much more money if he took risks, how much do you think the UFC would be willing to pay for some superfights like Silva vs GSP or Silva vs any good LHW, who gives a shit about Middle weight now, the division is absolutely clean, Silva will retire beating on chumps.

it's all about risk/reward ratio
yes, he can make a lot of money in a single fight vs. JJ or GSP, but lets say he loses and that will prob hurt his long term winnings, selling less PPVs or getting less money from sponsors, etc

On August 02 2012 00:56 TalentedTom wrote: Untill Jones actually moves up and fights top HW's it's all speculation. I think the only 205'er anderson silva prob wont fight is exactly jon jones, I think he would gladly fight anyone else

I believe they were trying to get him to fight at 205 before Jones was even a contender. Back when Silva was fighting guys like thales leites and cote. The only ones he would fight were guys like Irvin & forest. He wouldn't fight any contenders though. I believe his reasoning being that Machida was his BFF.

Kinda like Jones his his BFF now.

I obviously don't think Silva is scared of any man alive, I just believe he tries to take the path of least resistance while getting paid.

I'm ok with giving Gustafson one or two more fights before the title shot. I'd like him vs Bader but I find it hard to see how they would make that fight (Bader would have to beat Machida without getting a title shot). Rematch with Davis would be cool too but they train together and seem to genuinely like each other so that's probably a no go.

I guess the winner out of Shogun/Vera/Bader/Machida that looks least impressive seems like a good one. I think him vs Shogun would be a cool fight but unfortunately the hardest thing to deal with in that match up would probably be leg kicks and maaaaybe the clinch (if Shogun gets close enough) which doesn't say much about his chances vs Jones. Machida vs Gustafsson could turn into a huge snoozefest considering both being happy running around finding ranges and such but on the other hand Machida might be forced to engage and get some more ring time vs someone with huge reach.

Vera trains with Alex and Davis so that's not a go even if he happens to win vs Shogun (heh) but Bader probably has very low chances of beating Gustafsson. Wrestlers needs to be explosive as hell to get him down much and I feel that only Rashad and Jones would be able to wrestlefuck him and I'm not even sure about Rashad considering how small he is.

I am obviously a huge Gustafsson nuthugger, but I really feel he should get a fight or two more before he fights with Jones. Both to turn him into more of a draw and also to make sure that he's in the best possible position to make a good fight out of it.

On August 01 2012 23:37 Baalim wrote: Are you serious? Silva could make much more money if he took risks,

I could make more money by jumping off the Empire State... I could also lose all my money and more.

The two of them, GSP and AS, would never want to fight each other. They risk far too much money as a pair doing it.

is it even worth making a thread for this division... I think we can all agree noone deserves a shot against jones atm... just wait for new tallent like gustafson to show up and then give them a shot.

On August 02 2012 01:03 whamm! wrote: fighters can't really retire without "pushing it". ive never heard of any fighter in the history of combat sports who just quit while they were so ahead. he will eventually fight a younger guy who will bash his head in. fighting is all theyve done and they only really quit when they cant do it anymore.

totally wrong, some do some dont, do you think Mayweather is concerned about challenging himself or about making money and retire undefeated?

On August 02 2012 11:54 taco wrote: Show nested quote + On August 01 2012 23:37 Baalim wrote: Are you serious? Silva could make much more money if he took risks, I could make more money by jumping off the Empire State... I could also lose all my money and more. The two of them, GSP and AS, would never want to fight each other. They risk far too much money as a pair doing it.

The risk is not on money but prestige.

Do you think Dana is willing to pay Silva more vs Wiedman than vs Shogun? Silva could go and beat on the big guys but there is a risk he exposes himself as not being as dominant as people tought he was because of his size.


This is the reason why Fedor is the greatest ever, i mean he has shorter range than Silva and is the same height and yet he fought with fucking giants in heavy weight and destroyed them for nearly all his career while he trained in his backyard, the day Anderson Silva moves up and battles with the big buys then he will stop being a sportsman and he will become a warrior

a gsp vs silva or silva vs jones fight would be such a stupidly huge draw that, if money was all that mattered to the athletes, it would be ridiculous to not get the fight set up.
i think it's a step that everyone is just a little afraid to take right now

On August 02 2012 19:44 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On August 02 2012 01:03 whamm! wrote: fighters can't really retire without "pushing it". ive never heard of any fighter in the history of combat sports who just quit while they were so ahead. he will eventually fight a younger guy who will bash his head in. fighting is all theyve done and they only really quit when they cant do it anymore. totally wrong, some do some dont, do you think Mayweather is concerned about challenging himself or about making money and retire undefeated?

i disagree. name one fighter who just hung up his gloves after being conclusively the best of all time (or at least during his tenure), without being dead or getting beat down by some new guy. Ali, Louis, Dempsey, Leonard - every single one of them.
it becomes less about the money as they age and lose their faculties, and more about their own insecurities of about "still" having it. its ridiculously tough to just hang around the house compared to
being on top of the world being the baddest on the planet. mayweather has already come out of retirement once, Pac and Mayweather will eventually happen, and either one will keep fighting until someone
comes around and beats their ass when they're old. fighting being a unique individual sport, plays on ones ego the most, because there's nothing more satisfying than being the toughest person in the world.