UFC on Fox: Shogun vs. Vera - Page 2

I don't know for sure, but Team Nogueira seems like just a popular team to join because of the history, not in terms of how good the team is nowadays. It reminds me of the old sc1 clans that people joined after all the good players retired, they only joined because of the prestigious name/title.

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On July 31 2012 12:39 Daut wrote: vera is garbage. not even broken down shogun will lose to him. vera/shogun getting title shot is obviously a crock of shit. neither were competitive with jones first time around and there are more deserving people, namely gustaffson, machida (competitive with jones first fight), glover teixiera (should he beat rampage) and anderson (pipe dream that would never happen). other than those 4 and hendo everyone else is at least 2 fights away from a title shot.

thats true but in Danas perspective there arent many options, Machida cant fight Jones againt so soon obv, he probably doesnt want Gustaffson to take that fight yet and he wants him to grow more.

On July 31 2012 19:07 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On July 31 2012 12:39 Daut wrote: vera is garbage. not even broken down shogun will lose to him. vera/shogun getting title shot is obviously a crock of shit. neither were competitive with jones first time around and there are more deserving people, namely gustaffson, machida (competitive with jones first fight), glover teixiera (should he beat rampage) and anderson (pipe dream that would never happen). other than those 4 and hendo everyone else is at least 2 fights away from a title shot. thats true but in Danas perspective there arent many options, Machida cant fight Jones againt so soon obv, he probably doesnt want Gustaffson to take that fight yet and he wants him to grow more, Hendo is the super obvious choice i have no idea why Dana didnt chose him.

Dan Henderson is already fighting Jon Jones in September, at UFC 151.

The winner of Shogun/Vera gets the winner of Jones/Henderson.

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Nice ninja edit you did...

Dana already said in his video blog that the most impressive win of those 2 fights ( machida vs bader and Vera vs Shogun ) will get the title shot and not the winner of Shogun vs Vera

So now whoever wins in more impressive fashion gets the title shot (Shogun vs Vera, Machida vs Bader), that's still bad but not as bad as winner of Shogun/Vera gets it no matter what. Guess LHW is the new MW lol. But thats what a dominant champ does to a division.

On July 31 2012 19:10 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On July 31 2012 19:07 Baalim wrote:   On July 31 2012 12:39 Daut wrote: vera is garbage. not even broken down shogun will lose to him. vera/shogun getting title shot is obviously a crock of shit. neither were competitive with jones first time around and there are more deserving people, namely gustaffson, machida (competitive with jones first fight), glover teixiera (should he beat rampage) and anderson (pipe dream that would never happen). other than those 4 and hendo everyone else is at least 2 fights away from a title shot. thats true but in Danas perspective there arent many options, Machida cant fight Jones againt so soon obv, he probably doesnt want Gustaffson to take that fight yet and he wants him to grow more, Hendo is the super obvious choice i have no idea why Dana didnt chose him. Dan Henderson is already fighting Jon Jones in September, at UFC 151. The winner of Shogun/Vera gets the winner of Jones/Henderson. ---------- Nice ninja edit you did...

haha googled it and ninja edited it, anyway then its obvious why.... There are simply no other options, this is going to be funny if Shogun somehow loses and we have a Vera vs Jones fight haha, what would be the line on that, -1000

On July 31 2012 19:43 HaiVan wrote: So now whoever wins in more impressive fashion gets the title shot (Shogun vs Vera, Machida vs Bader), that's still bad but not as bad as winner of Shogun/Vera gets it no matter what. Guess UFC is the new WWF lol. But thats what a dominant champ does to a division.

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you cant make any money in the main/co-main events. jst have to sit back and watch wrasslers eat knees and elbows. team crocop

damn Baal edited twice so we couldnt read his post

These title shots for Jones are garbage. I think it's time to fight a mid level heavyweight like they did with Anderson when nothing was going on. Like Mir/Kongo/Browne/Rothwell.

Gustavsson makes sense as well, but it also makes sense to wait a little with that fight.

I agree.

What do you guys think about the LHW division? JJ exposed how weak/bad the fighters are, or is he just a beast on another lvl?

The LHW has been super shallow talent-wise for at least 7 years.

Did you have that opinion before JJ broke into the scene? Cuz I remember most people thought that LHW was super stacked with Machida, Shogun, Rampage, Evans, Griffin and a few guys coming up like Bader, Davis and JJ.

LHW was the most stacked division around the time Shogun won the GP. Back then LHW was ahead of its time and the strongest division with a prime Arona, Rampage, Wanderlei, Shogun, Liddell, Couture, Henderson, Nog, and then guys like Overeem, Ortiz, Sobral to complete the amazing division that it was. Some of these guys stuck around which gave the UFC and fans a reason to think LHW was stacked when it wasn't. Very few if any of them improved, and many quit or didn't make it to the UFC. Basically how I see LHW is a division that has been stagnant for seven years and lost its best competitors along the way.

Jon Jones is a beast who is enormous and ahead of his time. LHW is weak and Jon Jones is extremely good. The result is not pretty.

On August 01 2012 11:00 Raidern wrote: Did you have that opinion before JJ broke into the scene?

Yes. I usually used the LHW fights to go grab condiments or go to the bathroom unless the fight was the ME and decent
for ~4ish years, essentially ever since I started watching the UFC.

Even when the main event was a LHW fight, there were always more interesting fights in the other weight classes. No exceptions.

On August 01 2012 11:15 Nazgul wrote: LHW was the most stacked division around the time Shogun won the GP. Back then LHW was ahead of its time and the strongest division with a prime Arona, Rampage, Wanderlei, Shogun, Liddell, Couture, Henderson, Nog, and then guys like Overeem, Ortiz, Sobral to complete the amazing division that it was. Some of these guys stuck around which gave the UFC and fans a reason to think LHW was stacked when it wasn't. Very few if any of them improved, and many quit or didn't make it to the UFC. Basically how I see LHW is a division that has been stagnant for seven years and lost its best competitors along the way.

Yeah this in essence. Division just became a bunch of old dudes with no interest in changing or learning nor improving.

Jones, Henderson, Machida, and Rashad are better than they ever were. Not to mention up and comers like Phil Davis, The Master, and Gustafsson. I still don't think Shogun has declined as much as everybody seems to think he has. LHW is still strong.

^ Shogun didn't decline, he just never improved. Although, you might say he declined because of the knee surgeries, which is devastating to someone with Shogun's fight style. You can see it in his first, and "I think" second match back from his last knee surgery.

^WTF of course that 100% counts as declining. No 'might say' shenanigans.

It's like saying "Cro Cop didn't decline....but that you might say he declined because of all those injuries."

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