Red line losers. - Page 2

Back when I played NLHE my blue line would always plummet lol.

On July 25 2012 17:08 EvilSky wrote: I think in theory if you are playing optimally you should have an alternating red and blue lines varying on what your image is and how you exploit it, so leaning towards vbetting when you have a bluffy image and viceversa. That might be a bit too simplistic way to look at it in todays games but honestly I think what really matters is the green line, if that is going well you are doing it right.

Pretty much this. I never put too much thought into my red line or the fact it was a slowly losing line because the green line was always in order. Could I have been improving it and playing better with more serious thought? Maybe.

Regardless, my focus was always improving green line and hoping that by doing so red line would get in order.

As it was I think I had lower variance results than most people over a lot of hands so who knows if a small losing red line played a roll in that or w/e.

why is the title red line LOSERS? makes me feel bad man :[

redline-challenged players plz

lol my redline got absolutely crushed the other day, playing jpette in a heads up match. Vs some players you should be playing in a way that will make your redline go down. Vs him i couldnt ever try to bluff him because he got it in so light preflop and postflop so i had to wait for a decent hand to get it in with and then he would make very -ev stack offs vs my pure value range.

I've studied a lot of nananoko hand histories and his playstyle makes a ton of $$ from people that bluffcatch him without knowing his postflop range at 2-4/ 5-10. He does not really make money from image at these stakes, but from the lack of knowledge that a lot of other players have on him, and the fact that people bluffcatch too much. Anyone moving up from 1/2 to 2/4 will probably be making some big -ev mistakes vs him since they don't know that he very rarely bluffs, any bluffcatching that they do vs him is going to be very -ev. A lot of other winning players have a similar style.

Oh yea and redline/blue line dont matter. its all about making the most money possible with your style while still defending yourself from being exploited. So in other words your actions have to be coherent with your overall gameplan. Dont get me wrong. If someone points out a spot to me that i've been not taking advantage of. Then I will make the change accordingly. Which might add a fraction to my redline but it also might take it away. In the end its about overall gameplans. That said though i know that I am missing out on having a higher redline without sacrificing my blue line. I just haven't refined my game enough.

EDIT: Ok about the style thing i mention. Everyone has a style but that doesnt mean you dont adapt to the people you are playing. So just wanted to point that out =p

On July 27 2012 16:05 DooMeR wrote: why is the title red line LOSERS? makes me feel bad man :[ redline-challenged players plz

loled

On July 27 2012 16:23 Stroggoz wrote: lol my redline got absolutely crushed the other day, playing jpette in a heads up match. Vs some players you should be playing in a way that will make your redline go down. Vs him i couldnt ever try to bluff him because he got it in so light preflop and postflop so i had to wait for a decent hand to get it in with and then he would make very -ev stack offs vs my pure value range. I've studied a lot of nananoko hand histories and his playstyle makes a ton of $$ from people that bluffcatch him without knowing his postflop range at 2-4/ 5-10. He does not really make money from image at these stakes, but from the lack of knowledge that a lot of other players have on him, and the fact that people bluffcatch too much. Anyone moving up from 1/2 to 2/4 will probably be making some big -ev mistakes vs him since they don't know that he very rarely bluffs, any bluffcatching that they do vs him is going to be very -ev. A lot of other winning players have a similar style.

that is so far from the truth lol.

haha indeed, nanoko makes money because he is very balanced especially preflop

On July 27 2012 17:14 lebowski wrote: Show nested quote + On July 27 2012 16:05 DooMeR wrote: why is the title red line LOSERS? makes me feel bad man :[ redline-challenged players plz loled

Always good to have it back

historically i've had a breakeven redline and it being slightly up or down depending on what my image/tables/opponents/dynamic/mood was at the time....it really doesn't matter if you're owning the players either way..just fucking make monies yo (full ring btw)

"It's the Blinds, Stupid"

Folding your blinds most of the time is fine. It is correct. It is smart. And it leads to a negative red line. Thus, A NEGATIVE RED LINE IS NOT A LEAK.

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sometime when I think of Gievmoney I feel a little bit sad because his graph is too damn amazing

whos graph is that?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/174/poker-goals-challenges/my-journey-1-000-000-challenge-done-912193/

Do you know whats his nick name on PS ?

he keeps it on the downlow

Isn't he KissmyAceplz? only finn i've seen in high stakes and he isn't old school

On July 30 2012 14:09 locoo wrote: Isn't he KissmyAceplz? only finn i've seen in high stakes and he isn't old school

doubt it, as kissmyace doesnt have enough volume and i never see him on 50/100

What are the sickest graphs you guys have seen over a large sample for PLO ?

(Don't really read 2+2)

I didn't mass grind cash, but I noticed when I was having a bad day @ showdowns, my redline would hover around breakeven. When I was winning a lot of showdowns my redline would be about -50% of my winnings. i.e if I was winning 1k at showdown I was losing 500 w/o showdown and winning 500 overall. For the most part that's how it worked I think. I dunno I don't have my graphs anymore.