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I'm most looking forward to Olympic Basketball. Specifically USA vs Spain
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The basketball is always awesome, I am looking forward to all the track events. The mens 100 is always good. Would be nice though if Canada had a "Donovan Bailey" this year.
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bananarama New Zealand. Jul 24 2012 18:02. Posts 282
Anyone else got tickets? Womens Volley ball and some Athletics (100m final ceremony is part of it...Womans Shotput... Go Valerie!)
On July 24 2012 17:02 bananarama wrote:
Anyone else got tickets? Womens Volley ball and some Athletics (100m final ceremony is part of it...Womans Shotput... Go Valerie!)
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waga United Kingdom. Jul 24 2012 18:52. Posts 2375
On July 24 2012 17:02 bananarama wrote:
Anyone else got tickets? Womens Volley ball and some Athletics (100m final ceremony is part of it...Womans Shotput... Go Valerie!)
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I'm most looking forward to the reptilian invasion
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on a more serious note...
eh whatever, i find almost everything dull in the olympics, some team sports can be good to watch. Other than that just drugged athletes sacrificing their youth and health for a meaningless title to which noone will remember in a month
[B] Other than that just drugged athletes sacrificing their youth and health for a meaningless title to which noone will remember in a month
This is LOL if your country sucks at the Olympics then of course they won't remember who won in a month. But when you have someone like Michael Phelps that has won 16 gold medals and holds a ton of record, or like Donovan Bailey, Michael Johnson, Usain Bolt people in the country they are from remember them. Sidney Crosby will probably go down as one of Canada's greatest hockey players of all time for the simple fact that he scored the game winning goal in Olympic Gold Medal in Canada. Ask any Canadian and 100% they will be able to tell you what they were doing when that happened.
[B] Other than that just drugged athletes sacrificing their youth and health for a meaningless title to which noone will remember in a month
This is LOL if your country sucks at the Olympics then of course they won't remember who won in a month. But when you have someone like Michael Phelps that has won 16 gold medals and holds a ton of record, or like Donovan Bailey, Michael Johnson, Usain Bolt people in the country they are from remember them. Sidney Crosby will probably go down as one of Canada's greatest hockey players of all time for the simple fact that he scored the game winning goal in Olympic Gold Medal in Canada. Ask any Canadian and 100% they will be able to tell you what they were doing when that happened.
actually hungary is among the very best in the overall stats (ranked 8th world) and we got a huge hype at every olympic games
I don't know even competing in an Olympic games is pretty impressive, getting a medal is just that much more. These athletes are the best that the world has to offer, so even the guy that comes in like 8th in a race is so much better then the vast majority of other athletes out there.
Competing in the Olympics is an immensely impressive accomplishment and is an experience that these people will remember and take pride in for the rest of their lives.
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teej1985 United Kingdom. Jul 26 2012 13:32. Posts 716
Very much looking forward to it, watching a table .tennis and a footy game live.
Not interested in a lot of the sports but there are so many and it is cool to watch stuff youd never normally watch. I find it hard to see how anyone could not really enjoy the Olympics, unless you fucking HATE sports/humans.
Love the olympic games. I've always been very interested in sports so I think it's great to watch the best athletes perform at the very best. The physical and psychological aspect of the competition is just mind blowing
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NMcNasty United States. Jul 26 2012 21:51. Posts 2041
Brazil vs Egypt was pretty entertaining. Got to see a bit of what this Neymar character is all about. It's also fun to see a rainbow kick used in a real game.
stolen gold
documentary from the 90's cataloging some of the biggest controversies over whether an athlete or team didn't get the gold medal they earned
definitely from an america perspective, I think, but has some neat stuff
On July 27 2012 18:52 Target-x17 wrote:
what where were the aliens that were saposed to show themselfs at the opening ceremony?
don't start man..
I hate opening ceremonies. The only part that makes me slightly interested is when they present the athletes. Apart from that, I ignore it.
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blackjacki2 United States. Jul 27 2012 22:08. Posts 2582
I thought the first leg of the opening ceremony was bloody magnificent with the transformation from agrarian to industrial. Then it just got really stupid and really cheesy and lame. A tribute to NHS, wtf? Mr. Bean was awesome.
that salute predates hitler and was regularly used at the olympics until wwii. pretty sure its outta fashion now but its probably not as terribly meant as it looks
back OT going to try and watch all of soccer. need fix until world cup
I dont know if its just me, but i dont give a flying fuck about the olympics. Every sport I'd care about (besides tennis i guess) is watered down competition from being limited to a select number of entries per country. And I feel no sense of complete nationalism for USA where I root for them to win. it would be like wanting to watch WCG over a korean starleague if you didnt have any friends or rooting interests in it.
really the only things worth watching to me are tennis and swimming just to see how phelps does since i was friendly with him on stars/ftp. basketball is a bunch of one sided blowouts, baseball is worthless when all the best players are in the MLB, track and field has like 3 compelling events and they last about 90 seconds combined. and the other sports are retarded shit like this:
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
horse events and stuff are ROFL tho, wtf, I should say I like the showcase of human athleticism
k but I admit I've watched practically the entire horse clip you posted. but its just hilarious with the commentators fawning over it and the music.. and I mean the horse is legit on beat..
belongs more in a circus or something tho
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blackjacki2 United States. Jul 28 2012 02:11. Posts 2582
On July 27 2012 22:31 Daut wrote:
I dont know if its just me, but i dont give a flying fuck about the olympics. Every sport I'd care about (besides tennis i guess) is watered down competition from being limited to a select number of entries per country. And I feel no sense of complete nationalism for USA where I root for them to win. it would be like wanting to watch WCG over a korean starleague if you didnt have any friends or rooting interests in it.
really the only things worth watching to me are tennis and swimming just to see how phelps does since i was friendly with him on stars/ftp. basketball is a bunch of one sided blowouts, baseball is worthless when all the best players are in the MLB, track and field has like 3 compelling events and they last about 90 seconds combined. and the other sports are retarded shit like this: <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/zKQgTiqhPbw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Couldn't feel more different as I love the Olympics. I also couldn't care less for Olympic basketball/baseball, but there are so many sports that you only really see on t.v. once every 4 years, and in individual events the competition isn't watered down much because the best countries can send multiple athletes for the same event. Of course, I wouldn't be watching these sports if they weren't the Olympics. Most of these athletes have trained their entire lives for this competition that comes once every 4 years and the winners are decided by the smallest of fractions. I wouldn't say the Olympics are as good as a Big 4 playoff game but they are greatly superior to a Big 4 regular season game.
Olympics is tough for me. Problem is so many different events. Different times. I would feel weird going to a bar at 2PM to watch men's swimming or men's gymnastics. Then it never feels worth it to DVR or hunch over a computer and watch it non-Live. I don't think there is any event I will feel bad about missing it. (well maybe some of the footy matches, sprint finals, tennis finals, swimming finals, gymnastic finals, greco finals... we'll see).
its sometimes interesting to watch a sport you dont get to often. but i dont give a flying fuck about trampolining, handball, triple jump, ribbon gymnastics or mens gymnastics or some of the other shit there. i also dont want to watch amateur boxers in headgear, pure judo when all the best in the world are japanese (judo is like starcraft wcg without knowing anyone), baseball, basketball.
on 2nd thought, i think the following are watchable: tennis, soccer, 100m dash, 200m dash, 400m dash, long jump, high jump, diving and a couple women's gymnastics events. but im not gonna go out of my way to watch anything but probably tennis/soccer finals. ill watch a rerun of 100m/200m dash which will take me less than 30 seconds. will check if any world records are broken in other track and field and nod my head and shrug if they are. and will catch it on sportscenter if phelps wins a few golds
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olympics is amazing
repping your country in a sport and winning must be amazing and its great to watch for me (and most the world!)
i agree there are some bizarre games though but they tend to cycle off and cycle in new stuff
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NotSorry United States. Jul 28 2012 16:06. Posts 2603
Tried watching the Men's Team Archery this morning and was very disappointed with just how much hi-tech bullshit is allowed to the point where they don't even look like bows anymore with shit 2-3ft tri pod stabilizers, double locked trigger releases to the point where they might as well be using a gun. Rather watch a local highschool/college competition where it's at least a semi-traditional set up.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.
Agreed the Olympics are pretty meh, most of the sports have their own more important competitions outside of the games and athletics are pretty boring unless theres the potential for a WR to be broken, then it gets kinda cool.But its always cool to catch some Olympic camel toe and the female beach volley.
On July 28 2012 15:06 NotSorry wrote:
Tried watching the Men's Team Archery this morning and was very disappointed with just how much hi-tech bullshit is allowed to the point where they don't even look like bows anymore with shit 2-3ft tri pod stabilizers, double locked trigger releases to the point where they might as well be using a gun. Rather watch a local highschool/college competition where it's at least a semi-traditional set up.
I've never watched archery before, but the idea of it in my mind is cool (people with classic bow and arrow hitting targets). Are you saying they literally have tripods, from their arms or from the bow to the ground, holding them up?
The fuck..
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NotSorry United States. Jul 28 2012 18:31. Posts 2603
It's not like a camera tripod that you use to plant something into the ground, think of it more as 3 bars making a bent T shape on the front end of the bow that balances the weight of the bow and gives another means of depth perception and targeting.
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On July 28 2012 15:08 EvilSky wrote:
Agreed the Olympics are pretty meh, most of the sports have their own more important competitions outside of the games and athletics are pretty boring unless theres the potential for a WR to be broken, then it gets kinda cool.But its always cool to catch some Olympic camel toe and the female beach volley.
I don't even like the Olympics that much, but this is really just inaccurate. A huge majority of the Olympic sports do not have anything larger than the Olympics. A small minority, formed by the largest sports in the world (which is probably why you feel this way), has bigger events outside of the Olympics.
Still sounds pretty unwieldy to take onto a battlefield, or for real-world hunting/survival :o
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NotSorry United States. Jul 28 2012 19:24. Posts 2603
On July 28 2012 17:53 2c0ntent wrote:
Ah I see.
Still sounds pretty unwieldy to take onto a battlefield, or for real-world hunting/survival :o
Yea of course you would never use it for anything other than a competition like this, it's impractical for anything that requires moving or quick drawing
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NMcNasty United States. Jul 28 2012 22:39. Posts 2041
Archery finals were intense, I highly recommend.
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 28 2012 22:39. Posts 4080
I always thought the olympic video games were fun. a lot like american gladitators the game
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Watching the mens gymnastics is insane what these guys are doing. Being able to do some of that stuff blows my. That little japanese guys did some crazy stuff even though he fucked it up on his first try.
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bananarama New Zealand. Jul 29 2012 05:11. Posts 282
On July 28 2012 15:06 NotSorry wrote:
Tried watching the Men's Team Archery this morning and was very disappointed with just how much hi-tech bullshit is allowed to the point where they don't even look like bows anymore with shit 2-3ft tri pod stabilizers, double locked trigger releases to the point where they might as well be using a gun.
LOL have you looked at the Olympic shooting? Way more accurate that those bows ever are.
Im suprised though with the USAs gun per capita that they dont dominate the shooting sports.
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bananarama New Zealand. Jul 29 2012 05:16. Posts 282
I think the beauty of the olympics is that you dont have to like all the events, but there is such an array of them that there is something for everyone. Hell, and atleast you have watched the horse events and decided you dont like them, im the same but I can appreciate the skill levels required
anyone complaining about the olympics being boring just doesn't have any taste for many sports. There are tons of interesting sports for the majority of the world to watch. The Volleyball/beach is nice, seeing some of the more obscure events are nice. The sprinting ones are over fast but there is lots of build up, trying to witness new world records. Then there are sports that require less physical evolution and more skill making for a nice roundness to the olympics.
Lastly, you get to experience other countries teams that you more than likely never will see anywhere else. So, overall the olympics has lots to offer
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PuertoRican United States. Jul 29 2012 16:17. Posts 13257
I'm watching some live swimming events through a link at YouTube, that's located at the top of the website.
Once you click the link, it takes you to another page where you click the big image, which takes you to another page and you click on your cable provider, then it takes 10 seconds or so for it to log you in.
There's 2 channels playing different Olympic stuff on my TV, but it's different from the games shown online.
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egood United States. Jul 29 2012 16:31. Posts 1883
Even if you don't like some of the sports, you have to admire the dedication and determination of these atheletes to be able to make it to the olympics. There is no "easy" sport in my opinion.
PoorUser United States. Jul 29 2012 17:29. Posts 7472
speed walking is surprisingly hard. i was at a soccer tournament in college and there were olympic trials being held at the track surrounding the field [a way early qualification]. everyone looked really stupid doing it so at the end of the night i speed walk raced my friend around the track and died after a lap -.- big respect for that stupid looking sport now
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NotSorry United States. Jul 29 2012 17:51. Posts 2603
Women's beach volleyball is where it's at
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On July 29 2012 16:51 NotSorry wrote:
Women's beach volleyball is where it's at
You watching it in a dark room by yourself? Make sure you bring a beach towel and vasoline
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egood United States. Jul 29 2012 21:15. Posts 1883
On July 29 2012 15:36 dogmeat wrote:
speed walking ?????????
On July 28 2012 15:08 EvilSky wrote:
Agreed the Olympics are pretty meh, most of the sports have their own more important competitions outside of the games and athletics are pretty boring unless theres the potential for a WR to be broken, then it gets kinda cool.But its always cool to catch some Olympic camel toe and the female beach volley.
I don't even like the Olympics that much, but this is really just inaccurate. A huge majority of the Olympic sports do not have anything larger than the Olympics. A small minority, formed by the largest sports in the world (which is probably why you feel this way), has bigger events outside of the Olympics.
I guess I shouldnt be shitting on fringe sports being a big BW nerd myself but its also to do with what I define as a sport, I dont really consider swimming, running etc to be sports in the sense tennis and football are so I bunch all those up with athletics.
2012 Olympics are a f%*# disgrace to fair sportsmanship.
Unfair judo decision, then Ukraine getting kicked off the podium (man gymnastics) AFTER the tournament, and now this:
WATCH FROM 2:07!!!!
This is f***ing pathethic. They let her strike her 4 times with 1s left on the clock, until she made the hit and won (she would lose at 5:5, so she HAD to make the hit).
On July 28 2012 15:08 EvilSky wrote:
Agreed the Olympics are pretty meh, most of the sports have their own more important competitions outside of the games and athletics are pretty boring unless theres the potential for a WR to be broken, then it gets kinda cool.But its always cool to catch some Olympic camel toe and the female beach volley.
I don't even like the Olympics that much, but this is really just inaccurate. A huge majority of the Olympic sports do not have anything larger than the Olympics. A small minority, formed by the largest sports in the world (which is probably why you feel this way), has bigger events outside of the Olympics.
I guess I shouldnt be shitting on fringe sports being a big BW nerd myself but its also to do with what I define as a sport, I dont really consider swimming, running etc to be sports in the sense tennis and football are so I bunch all those up with athletics.
id agree i wouldnt really consider swimming or running sports, but they are definitely feats of athletic ability which imo is what the spirit of the olympics is all about, even more so than football etc.
On July 30 2012 17:04 Endo wrote:
Can you explain it? For us who don't understand fencing rules.
not much to explain, you have a sword and you need to hit second person to score a point
the thing is, Korean woman only needed to make it a draw to win, and as she was leading 5:4, German made the hit and it was a draw at 5:5(meaning Kor still wins) with only 1 second left on the clock. What you can see on the video is that the judges let the German woman make 4 separate attack attempts in that 1s left of time, as she finally made the hit to win 6:5 and the timer reached 0.
*watch the video from 2:07.
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PuertoRican United States. Jul 30 2012 19:40. Posts 13257
^ The London Olympics have disrespected South Korea multiple times this year.
They made the mistake of listing South Korea as North Korea in one of the game lists, then they apologized, but then did it again in another game, which can be seen below.
It might not seem like a big deal to most of you, but in terms of South Korea and North Korea, it's a big deal, especially when the mistake is made more than one time in the same week of an event after it was supposed to have been rectified.
On July 30 2012 18:41 taco wrote:
Defrag what specific judo decision are you talking about?
Judo is a sport of leverage, strength, tactics and cunning. These attributes can appear to the uninitiated to be two people attempting to grab each other, without success, for five minutes. And then when no points are scored, they try to grab each other for another three minutes of overtime.
One of these gripping contests — the men's quarterfinals at 66 kg — has become the source of international indignation over a perceived injustice. But with the sport of Judo, an apparently firm set of circumstances can flip in an instant.
International media, or really, the international media that pays any attention to Judo, has been condemnatory in its coverage of the result in the quarterfinal match between Masashi Ebinuma of Japan and Cho Jun-Ho of South Korea.
The judges on the mat awarded the decision to Cho — but then they were called over by sideline officials. After a brief consultation, Ebinuma was awarded the victory.
Of that reversal, The Japan Times wrote, "In what looked like a parody of The Three Stooges, the three judges then overturned their initial ruling after a short conference." And keep in mind, the Japanese fighter won the bout.
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On July 30 2012 17:04 Endo wrote:
Can you explain it? For us who don't understand fencing rules.
not much to explain, you have a sword and you need to hit second person to score a point
the thing is, Korean woman only needed to make it a draw to win, and as she was leading 5:4, German made the hit and it was a draw at 5:5(meaning Kor still wins) with only 1 second left on the clock. What you can see on the video is that the judges let the German woman make 4 separate attack attempts in that 1s left of time, as she finally made the hit to win 6:5 and the timer reached 0.
*watch the video from 2:07.
years ago i practiced fencing for a while, i dont remember well but afaik there are 3 types of swords and depending on what type of sword you use is the style of combat, also there are other things to consider i think, like the positions or moves you are allowed to do, but yes basicly is that, a sword and hit the opponent.
Also in the other sports, i dont know if it was unfair, but from what i have read it doesnt look like, i mean they reviewed videos and changed decissions that were probably a mistake.
The most stupid thing that i have read is the Arabian judo woman that its not going to participate if they dont allow her to use the hiyab.
On August 02 2012 00:07 wei2coolman wrote: Full Story
Excerpt: Eight female badminton doubles players were disqualified Wednesday from the London Olympics after trying to lose matches to receive a more favorable place in the tournament.
The Badminton World Federation announced its ruling after investigating two teams from South Korea and one each from China and Indonesia. It punished them for "not using one's best efforts to win a match" and "conducting oneself in a manner that is clearly abusive or detrimental to the sport" in matches Tuesday night.
"We applaud the federation for having taken swift and decisive action," IOC spokesman Mark Adams told The Associated Press. "Such behavior is incompatible with the Olympic values."
Quarter final of judo up to 66kg men, Japan vs Korea, Jap guy Masashi Ebinuma is current world champion, they awarded the win to Korean guy (all 3 judges ruled same way) when they ended the fight, then changed the decision under the pressure from International Judo Committee or w/e its called and Ebinuma was awarded the victory.
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PuertoRican United States. Aug 01 2012 19:33. Posts 13257
On August 01 2012 16:52 Defrag wrote:
Another sad moment at the 2012 Olympics:
On August 02 2012 00:07 wei2coolman wrote: Full Story
Excerpt: Eight female badminton doubles players were disqualified Wednesday from the London Olympics after trying to lose matches to receive a more favorable place in the tournament.
The Badminton World Federation announced its ruling after investigating two teams from South Korea and one each from China and Indonesia. It punished them for "not using one's best efforts to win a match" and "conducting oneself in a manner that is clearly abusive or detrimental to the sport" in matches Tuesday night.
"We applaud the federation for having taken swift and decisive action," IOC spokesman Mark Adams told The Associated Press. "Such behavior is incompatible with the Olympic values."
Too bad they didn't have this rule in WCG. Koreans always lost matches on purpose so they could always end up as the final 3 in Starcraft 1.
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Aug 01 2012 19:52. Posts 6374
On August 01 2012 16:52 Defrag wrote:
Another sad moment at the 2012 Olympics:
On August 02 2012 00:07 wei2coolman wrote: Full Story
Excerpt: Eight female badminton doubles players were disqualified Wednesday from the London Olympics after trying to lose matches to receive a more favorable place in the tournament.
The Badminton World Federation announced its ruling after investigating two teams from South Korea and one each from China and Indonesia. It punished them for "not using one's best efforts to win a match" and "conducting oneself in a manner that is clearly abusive or detrimental to the sport" in matches Tuesday night.
"We applaud the federation for having taken swift and decisive action," IOC spokesman Mark Adams told The Associated Press. "Such behavior is incompatible with the Olympic values."
Too bad they didn't have this rule in WCG. Koreans always lost matches on purpose so they could always end up as the final 3 in Starcraft 1.
pretty sure theres no rule in olympics neither, referees r just fags
mens and womens gymnastics, when else do you see sport like that on tv?
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Into Infinity United States. Aug 02 2012 18:29. Posts 1884
Chinese diver Wu Minxia took gold in the 3m synchronized springboard in London this week, becoming the first woman in history to win three consecutive Olympic golds.
But shortly after she finished competing, Minxia’s father reinforced China’s win-at-any-cost mentality when he dropped a couple of bombshells on his daughter via theShanghai Morning Post: Both her grandparents had died over a year ago, and her mother had battled breast cancer for eight years.
Wu called us after her grandmother died, I gritted my teeth and told her: “Everything’s fine, there aren’t any problems.”
Minxia’s parents found such lies were “essential” to ensure their daughter could keep focused on her training. She’d left home at 16 to live at a government-sponsored diving facility.
We never talk about family matters with our daughter. We accepted a long time ago that she doesn’t belong entirely to us. I don’t even dare to think about things like enjoying family happiness.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Aug 02 2012 19:13. Posts 7499
Communist countries are fucking nuts.
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Nice match by Federer, longest match in olympic games, 4:25hrs, tought for a moment that he was going to loose. (btw longest match in history, was 11hrs, in 2010)
I was never impressed with swimmers winning so many medals and generally being at the top of the medal rankings off all time.
I mean they probably have 20 opportunities to win a medal every 4 years, compare that to a decathlete or a boxer or a tennis player or pretty much any other sport. Theres 47 different types of swimming and 25 different distances and each distance has a relay and so on, it just doesnt seem fair to label a swimmer as the greatest olympian of all time.
only very few swimmers can win several medals in a single competition. You can count them in a single hand. Ofc it's unfair to those, like tennis players, who can only win 1 medal at a time. That being said, I think it's fair to consider Phelps as the GOAT, since he won several individual races two consecutive times and a couple of races three consecutive times.
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jeffv8x_-_16 Belgium. Aug 03 2012 21:19. Posts 2835
^tennis players can win 3 medals though; singles, doubles and mixed doubles.
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TalentedTom Canada. Aug 04 2012 15:47. Posts 20070
Anyone have a link that gives the mens basketball tv schedule? I cant seem to find some of these games
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On August 03 2012 19:34 Raidern wrote:
That being said, I think it's fair to consider Phelps as the GOAT, since he won several individual races two consecutive times and a couple of races three consecutive times.
I don't think it's fair to consider Phelps a GOAT for winning those races
wearing a swimsuit that has since been banned.
It's only fair to compare their times to the times of other swimmers that were also wearing the suits.
On August 03 2012 19:34 Raidern wrote:
what you said is not true at all, haivan.
only very few swimmers can win several medals in a single competition. You can count them in a single hand. Ofc it's unfair to those, like tennis players, who can only win 1 medal at a time. That being said, I think it's fair to consider Phelps as the GOAT, since he won several individual races two consecutive times and a couple of races three consecutive times.
I was just browsing reddit when i stumbled upon this article that sums up my views on swimming dead on.
Phelps' Olympic accomplishments are fantastic, but his 21 medals in virtually any other sport would equate to less than a dozen.
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Aug 3, 2012 - There's a lot of talk about Michael Phelps being the greatest Olympian of all time. His 21 Olympic medals are a record, and his compilation of them is an impressive feat. But the medal inflation in swimming devalues that medal count so much that there's no way to point to the sheer number and claim he's the greatest Olympian ever.
It's long bothered me that swimming hands out so many medals. At the 200-meter distance, Phelps' specialty, they hand out five individual gold medals. In 2008, three of his medals came at this same distance, as he swam the 200-meter freestyle, the 200-meter butterfly and the 200-meter medley.
For the same distance that Usain Bolt got one medal, Phelps got three.
Consider a sport like basketball. These athletes have to play several games just to qualify for the playoffs. Then they have to win several more games to earn one single medal. By swimming's standards, there would be medals handed out for games won, free-throw percentage, most points, most assists, most rebounds and there would be a shuttle race at the end for kicks.
Or how about tennis? These athletes have to win five matches to earn a medal. These matches are often grueling, going on for one to two hours in the hot sun. They spend their entire Olympic Games busting their ass for a shot at one gold medal.In Beijing, for less than an half-hour of swimming, Phelps got eight.
Phelps has rarely been the fastest person in the pool at any distance. At only one distance in one Olympics was Phelps the fastest person. In 2008, he had the fastest 200m time of any swimmer at any stroke. Why? Because the freestyle is the fastest way to get from point A to point B. Every other Olympic games, he wasn't the fastest person at any distance.
Do you think if Phelps was trying to evade a great white shark he'd break into the butterfly? Like Dressage in Equestrian, he mastered the form of an artistic swim stroke, and he's taken advantage of it.
Swimmers will say I don't understand the sport, that I don't understand the nuances of each stroke and how difficult it is to master two of them. I understand it just fine. I realize there are different skills, different muscles, used for each event. I understand the butterfly is very different from the backstroke.
But imagine if track and field took swimming's lead and created distinct ways to get to the finish line, confusing the measurement of simply being the fastest.
We'd have the 100-meter "skip," where athletes have to skip down the track as fast as possible. The 400-meter "backwards run" would be a crowd favorite, as athletes put their quads - and spatial awareness - to the test, running backwards around the track. My personal choice would be the 200-meter "cartwheel," where athletes would have to do cartwheels all the way around until they crossed the finish line.
If track and field went the direction of swimming, Carl Lewis would have 30 Olympic medals.
I'm not sure why swimming stopped where it did. Just think of the fun possibilities. How about an underwater-only event, where athletes had to be submerged for 25 meters at a time? Or a corkscrew stroke where they had to spin in the water as they swam? And what on earth ever happened to the doggy-paddle? Let's just inflate the whole thing so there are so many strokes, nearly everybody gets a medal! I can do the doggy-paddle with the best of them!
There's an easy way to fix all of this and keep the strokes: hold only one event at each distance, the medley. To compete, you have to master all of the strokes that swimmers hold so dear. With that, Phelps' Olympic medal total would stand around 10, which is right where he stands in Olympic stature ... somewhere in the vicinity of the great Carl Lewis. And that, as I said, is an incredible accomplishment.
Greatest swimmer of all time? Probably. Greatest Olympian of all time? Not on your life.
I'll take the incredible Italian fencer Valentina Vezzali over Phelps' accomplishments any day. She's won an individual fencing medal in five straight Olympics, including three straight golds. She's also led her team to three golds and a bronze (the team event wasn't included in 2004, or she would have had another gold). She's won more Olympic fencing medals than all but four countries!
? what?
He wore suits when everyone else was wearing suits too. You don't seem to realize how hard it is to do what he's done. Last year Ryan Lochte won 4 individual races in the World Championships, and then people thought that he would basically be "the Phelps" of this years olympics. In the end, Lochte "only" won 1 individual race at the Games. What Phelps has done is probably impossible to repeat.
But if you think someone else was a more iconic Olympian than he was, I'm fine with it. It's a pain in the ass to compare people from different sports anyway. My point is, it's definitely fair to consider him the GOAT.
The fact that he has more opportunities for gold medals isnt exactly all positive. You realize the stress you r under when competing at this level, where 0.01s could cost u a medal, where your final reach could put u a place behind. And honestly fencing ? tell me how exhausting that is ....Obv our fellow bulgarian Yordan Yovchev has also made a sick accomplishment in gymnastics going in the finals at his 6th Olympics @ the age of 39, there are probably many more examples like him but still .... + Phelps smoke pot the past 4 years and is still N1 thats gotta count too :D
On August 03 2012 19:34 Raidern wrote:
what you said is not true at all, haivan.
only very few swimmers can win several medals in a single competition. You can count them in a single hand. Ofc it's unfair to those, like tennis players, who can only win 1 medal at a time. That being said, I think it's fair to consider Phelps as the GOAT, since he won several individual races two consecutive times and a couple of races three consecutive times.
I was just browsing reddit when i stumbled upon this article that sums up my views on swimming dead on.
I sincerely hope that's not your opinion on swimming because what the guy wrote is probably the biggest piece of trash I've ever seen written about any subject.
It's okay to not consider Phelps a GOAT because:
- swimming gives too many medals when compared to other sports
- you can win a medal at relay even if you don't swim at the final race
- other athletes dominated other sports longer than he did
But saying "his best distance was the 200m, so at that distance he won 3 medals while Michael Johnson only won 1" is hilarious. The fact the Phelps won three kinds of races at the same distance should be seen as something that contributes to his greatness, because each style is very different from one another, and require different preparation. He dominated people who dedicated and prepared themselves specifically for the 200m freestyle event. The author suggests that the 200m freestyle winner could basically swim the 200m butterfly and 200m medley if he wanted to, but that's not true at all.
What the guy say is: "I understand each style is different but it's ridiculous that these styles exist, there should only exist the fastest style". What Phelps did is similar to someone running and winning the 100m, 200m, 400m, long jump, 110m with hurdles, 4x100m, and 4x400m. There you have it, 6 events very different from one another.
The differences between winning the 100m butterfly and the 400m medley is as huge as winning the 100m and the long jump, or the 100m and the 400m.
Edit- I just checked Phelp's wikipedia and even if he only won 1 race per distance, he would still have 14 golds, which is more than anyone else.
Point is if you are a phenomenal swimmer you can win alot more medals than if you are a phenomenal athlete or a phenomenal wrestler, weightlifter, boxer, tennis player, or anything else besides a gymnast to some extent. Still there is a huge difference in the gymnastics disciplines compared to swimming. You cant compare doing the rings and floor excercises to lets say swim the butterfly and freestyle for example, in swimming you just swim as fast as you can in a straight line just using different strokes.
I agree that i am not aware to the fullest extent of how different and difficult the disciplines in swiming are, but i can also see that there have been multiple swimmers winning several different disciplines/distances, but i fail to see a single athlete that has won the 100m sprint and the 400m hurdles for example. Does that mean that swimmers are just generally the pinnacle of the sporting world or it simply means its much more doable to win different disciplines in swimming thus making the feats of swimmers less impressive, still awesome achievments just not the most incredible thing ever done in the sport world as some people try and make them seem.
Anyway thats just my uneducated opinion. I'll now stop spamming this thread
haha I love it though, the announcer says "He should NOT be able to run that fast!"
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teej1985 United Kingdom. Aug 05 2012 18:16. Posts 716
You say that as if he hadn't been struggling with form and admitted he isnt 100% fit. Gutted Gay didn't dip properly, guys the 2nd fastest of all time but doesnt have an olympic medal, hes had so much bad luck with injuries
Nah, I actually followed him and his team-mate for a little while. Bolt's been partying like a rock-star (who the fuck wouldn't... c'mon) while his buddy beat him at a few events.
As the race went down, I remember shouting to my bro "holy fuck, fuck, the american is ahead!!" only to see bolt shoot ahead like a cannon (once again).
I actually tried to bet a few people bolt's buddy would beat him. Really thought he would. Whatever. I just really appreciate this kinda stuff, I used to be a piece of shit sprinter (much better at hockey/bball heh).
But holy fuck did he ever speed up and rock it. Reminds me of Donovan Bailey's 9.84 record time. Horrible start, massive kick-assery ensued.
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TalentedTom Canada. Aug 06 2012 00:23. Posts 20070
^^ - His top speed was clearly much faster then anyone else in that race. I wonder how long he can maintain it, curious to see how he will perform in the 200m
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blackjacki2 United States. Aug 06 2012 02:37. Posts 2582
On August 03 2012 19:34 Raidern wrote:
what you said is not true at all, haivan.
only very few swimmers can win several medals in a single competition. You can count them in a single hand. Ofc it's unfair to those, like tennis players, who can only win 1 medal at a time. That being said, I think it's fair to consider Phelps as the GOAT, since he won several individual races two consecutive times and a couple of races three consecutive times.
I was just browsing reddit when i stumbled upon this article that sums up my views on swimming dead on.
I sincerely hope that's not your opinion on swimming because what the guy wrote is probably the biggest piece of trash I've ever seen written about any subject.
It's okay to not consider Phelps a GOAT because:
- swimming gives too many medals when compared to other sports
- you can win a medal at relay even if you don't swim at the final race
- other athletes dominated other sports longer than he did
But saying "his best distance was the 200m, so at that distance he won 3 medals while Michael Johnson only won 1" is hilarious. The fact the Phelps won three kinds of races at the same distance should be seen as something that contributes to his greatness, because each style is very different from one another, and require different preparation. He dominated people who dedicated and prepared themselves specifically for the 200m freestyle event. The author suggests that the 200m freestyle winner could basically swim the 200m butterfly and 200m medley if he wanted to, but that's not true at all.
What the guy say is: "I understand each style is different but it's ridiculous that these styles exist, there should only exist the fastest style". What Phelps did is similar to someone running and winning the 100m, 200m, 400m, long jump, 110m with hurdles, 4x100m, and 4x400m. There you have it, 6 events very different from one another.
The differences between winning the 100m butterfly and the 400m medley is as huge as winning the 100m and the long jump, or the 100m and the 400m.
Edit- I just checked Phelp's wikipedia and even if he only won 1 race per distance, he would still have 14 golds, which is more than anyone else.
What do you mean by 1 race per distance? He only swims 3 different distances so how could it be more than 9 golds over 3 olympics? Also you say repeating what Phelps did is probably impossible, but Spitz won 7 golds with 7 world records in 1972. That 1 last gold enters the realm of impossibility for Spitz? Lochte won 5 Golds in 2011. I think Phelps is the GOAT too but I also think the medal counts for swimming are somewhat inflated.
teej1985 United Kingdom. Aug 06 2012 05:02. Posts 716
On August 05 2012 22:13 devon06atX wrote:
Nah, I actually followed him and his team-mate for a little while. Bolt's been partying like a rock-star (who the fuck wouldn't... c'mon) while his buddy beat him at a few events.
As the race went down, I remember shouting to my bro "holy fuck, fuck, the american is ahead!!" only to see bolt shoot ahead like a cannon (once again).
I actually tried to bet a few people bolt's buddy would beat him. Really thought he would. Whatever. I just really appreciate this kinda stuff, I used to be a piece of shit sprinter (much better at hockey/bball heh).
But holy fuck did he ever speed up and rock it. Reminds me of Donovan Bailey's 9.84 record time. Horrible start, massive kick-assery ensued.
I definately had my doubts too, how stupid I feel to have had them now! Bolts said he wants to 'do something special' in the 200m
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