NL50 Frown river

Hand 1
Submitted by : Rapoza

***** Hand History for Game 83329540133 ***** Poker Stars
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, July 14, 07:29:36 ET 2012
Table Penthesilea IV Real Money
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: alicali $55.53 USD
Seat 4: keelo44 $45.77 USD
Seat 5: Invencible-T $50.00 USD
Seat 6: dodolade $52.81 USD
alicali posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
keelo44 posts big blind [$0.50 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Invencible-T [ ]
Invencible-T raises [$1.50 USD]
dodolade folds
alicali folds
keelo44 calls [$1.00 USD]

Flop (Pot : $3.25)

   
keelo44 bets [$1.50 USD]
Invencible-T raises [$5.50 USD]
keelo44 calls [$4.00 USD]

Turn (Pot : $14.25)

   
keelo44 bets [$7.00 USD]
Invencible-T raises [$16.00 USD]
keelo44 calls [$9.00 USD]

River (Pot : $46.25)

   
keelo44 bets [$22.77 USD]
Invencible-T

***** Hand History for Game 83207563837 ***** Poker Stars
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, July 12, 09:52:17 ET 2012
Table Houssay III Real Money
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 2: Invencible-T $68.42 USD
Seat 4: elpapelucho $51.10 USD
Seat 5: Shevalje $50.50 USD
Seat 6: Pogolegz $43.69 USD
Pogolegz posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
Invencible-T posts big blind [$0.50 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Invencible-T [ ]
elpapelucho raises [$1.25 USD]
Shevalje folds
Pogolegz folds
Invencible-T raises [$4.00 USD]
elpapelucho calls [$3.25 USD]

Flop (Pot : $8.75)

   
Invencible-T bets [$6.00 USD]
elpapelucho calls [$6.00 USD]

Turn (Pot : $20.75)

   
Invencible-T bets [$11.00 USD]
elpapelucho calls [$11.00 USD]

River (Pot : $42.75)

   
Invencible-T bets [$46.92 USD]

Hand 2: Villain is somewhat a passive nit 19/17 4% 3bet

everytime I call in spot like hand 1 they show me a Q so fold
hand 2 looks standard to me

hmm hand 1 he's a huge fish for sure , I shove turn

2nd hand i prefer to bet 14 on the turn so it is 43 into 48 $ bet on the river for you .

vilain has 30$ left.

1: Raise turn much bigger, call river especially with the evidence of that other hand you showed.

2: Standard.

hand 1 I think I like shoving the turn

hand 2 bet bigger turn, shove riv ez game?

hand #2 is completley normal

#1, you need to look how much money is in the pot before making a re raise, you basically made it $9 into a $35 pot for villain to call, which is pretty horrible. You put yourself in these river spots by playing poorly on earlier streets

You guys are right about hand 1, ty

hand 2 is this rly stand?
Cant see any worse hands that can call a river shove(only QQ comes in mind) thou i dont like checking river since i am OOP, all worse hands are checking back and better ones are shipping... so we bet cuz there isnt any better way to play? Yes?

On July 15 2012 12:55 Rapoza wrote: You guys are right about hand 1, ty hand 2 is this rly stand? Cant see any worse hands that can call a river shove(only QQ comes in mind) thou i dont like checking river since i am OOP, all worse hands are checking back and better ones are shipping... so we bet cuz there isnt any better way to play? Yes?

heh your thinking is very different from mine, If I could see the cards face up and I see my opponent has QTo here, I would never bet/bluff the river since I NEVER expect him to fold a pair here (prob less then 20% of the time). You guys need to start thinking of your opponents as horrible, otherwise your gonna be stuck in this black hole of "he cant call with worse" - people who think like that don't get far in this business

This is solid advice...
we ship because by default vilain is terrible at poker

eeeeeeeh...

well, guess hand 2 is fine since there is ppl who likes to slowplay monsters vs me:
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Results:
Hand 2: Villain thought for a while then fold.
Hand 1: Dont mind a call with that history but i guess its a standard fold as played, bad turn reraise size.

Submitted by : Rapoza

PokerStars Hand #83329540133: Holdem No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2012/07/14 20:29:36 BRT [2012/07/14 19:29:36 ET]
Table Penthesilea IV 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: alicali ($55.53 in chips)
Seat 4: keelo44 ($45.77 in chips)
Seat 5: Invencible-T ($50 in chips)
Seat 6: dodolade ($52.81 in chips)
alicali: posts small blind $0.25
nolan only: is sitting out
keelo44: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Invencible-T
Invencible-T: raises $1 to $1.50
nolan only leaves the table
dodolade: folds
alicali: folds
keelo44: calls $1

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $3.25)

   
keelo44: bets $1.50
Invencible-T: raises $4 to $5.50
keelo44: calls $4

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $14.25)

   
keelo44: bets $7
Invencible-T: raises $9 to $16
keelo44: calls $9

River (Pot : $46.25)

   
keelo44: bets $22.77 and is all-in
Invencible-T: calls $22.77

Showdown
keelo44: shows (a straight, Seven to Jack)
Invencible-T: shows (two pair, Kings and Nines)
keelo44 collected $90.29 from pot

Summary
Total pot $91.79 | Rake $1.50
Board  
Seat 1: alicali (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: keelo44 (big blind) showed and won ($90.29) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 5: Invencible-T showed and lost with two pair, Kings and Nines
Seat 6: dodolade (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)

A funny thing about the 9K hand is that you actually got strategically outplayed. You may call him a fish because of his non-standard lines but by donking small into you and allowing you to make the mistake of pricing him in, he played the hand very well. OK, I know half of his draw was dominated, but it's worth learning from in general.

^^

this, villian never made a mathematical error vs your hand at any point, infact his river play is 100% pure profit

Your line is actually good with the stone nuts QJ, but not your specific hand

Obviously villian is a retard calling with such a trashy draw, but in poker if you don't force your opponent to make a mistake you don't make money, in this case you got out EV'ed by the villain

On July 17 2012 05:24 Oly wrote: A funny thing about the 9K hand is that you actually got strategically outplayed. You may call him a fish because of his non-standard lines but by donking small into you and allowing you to make the mistake of pricing him in, he played the hand very well. OK, I know half of his draw was dominated, but it's worth learning from in general.

I couldnt agree more, rly good advice, actualy i was thinking about this before going to bed yesterday.

On July 17 2012 05:24 Oly wrote: A funny thing about the 9K hand is that you actually got strategically outplayed. You may call him a fish because of his non-standard lines but by donking small into you and allowing you to make the mistake of pricing him in, he played the hand very well. OK, I know half of his draw was dominated, but it's worth learning from in general.

? Villian puts in 5.5 on a 3.25 pot on flop, and 16 on a pot of 14.25 on the flop, in which way did he outplay us?

yup that's what fish fail to realise
I auto raise their little donkbet because 95% of the time it's a draw.
all fish love to do this to get a nice price for their draw but they pay more then if they let me bet myself.

(that being said , hero's raise is obviously too small)

what you have to realise is that vilain never made a mathematical mistake , but his strategy sux hard obv

edit: realize

ques for trolling need to be more obvious imo