2012 WSOP mess-ups - Page 2

How did they deal with the double nut flush situation? I mean I'm sure the hand was voided, but did they go back to camera footage to see if someone slight-of-handed the 2nd ace of spades during a hand or something?

Come back from break and there's 5k missing from my stack!There was def 209k as the floor verified on break. They are checking cameras now..
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Footage suggests no foul play. Oh well, guess it's going to be one of life's mysteries!
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Fuck the Rio. They suck.

On July 13 2012 01:27 c4rnage wrote: Come back from break and there's 5k missing from my stack!There was def 209k as the floor verified on break. They are checking cameras now.. @Liv_Boeree on Twitter Footage suggests no foul play. Oh well, guess it's going to be one of life's mysteries! @Liv_Boeree on Twitter minutes ago.

Or you miscounted bitch.

Intent and common sense should always trump hard rules. I can't believe so many think that was the right ruling. Rules exist to be applied when appropriate. There was no doubt in this situation at all.

On July 13 2012 17:02 Nazgul wrote: Intent and common sense should always trump hard rules. I can't believe so many think that was the right ruling. Rules exist to be applied when appropriate. There was no doubt in this situation at all.

The only problem I have with that is if one of the players insists he was all in as was specified by the OP. If one player insists he's all in, then ruling against him being all in is breaking the rules of the casinos favorably for one player. Now the player who insisted the man was all in has a technically legitimate grievance that he was cheated by the casino. It sucks and that guy woud suck, but them's the breaks.

Obviously if what Phil says is true and no one was very insistent, then the dealer should let the hand be mucked.

If you want to play it that technical, pretty sure casinos have a rule that they can do whatever the fuck they want and any rule under their roof can be overturned by a judgment call.

the only person that truly ever knows the honest motive is the individual (and even then they can rationalize/deceive themselves) but i'm w/ galfond and naz. if guy last to act snap calls w/ the nuts or something like that it would have been a lot more complicated but given the situation and evidence it's a horrible ruling.

Another mess-up by tournament dealers, this one seems like SUPER EASY decision and I have no idea how bad you are to make this call as tournament director:

Gaelle Baumann opened for a min-raise to 60,000 from under the gun, and the action folded to Andras Koroknai, who moved all in for what looked like 2 million from the small blind. Gavin Smith folded from the big blind, and thinking that the action was completed, Koroknai mucked his hand.

When he realized his mistake, he pulled back one of his cards, but the other was irretrievable. A floorperson was called to the table, and the dealer explained what had happened. Tournament Director Dennis Jones was called over to make the ruling, and upon hearing the story, he stood silently for half a minute.

Smith, who was standing next to him, began laughing at the difficulty of the decision.

After a moment for thought, Jones informed the table that Koroknai would have to forfeit 60,000 chips to Baumann, but that he wouldn't be eliminated completely. "Really?" Smith blurted.

Baumann was also confused with the ruling, so Jones pulled out his iPhone and called Vice President of the World Series of Poker Jack Effel. After a two-minute conversation, Jones hung up, and announced to the table that the original ruling would stand.

"You're not losing your tournament life," Jones told Koroknai.

In Jones' explanation to the table, he cited the "integrity of the tournament" as the major factor in the decision.

According to Smith, Baumann showed two kings.