Get a grip - Page 7

On July 02 2012 04:13 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote: None of these matter. You're all already dead.

On July 01 2012 13:43 Mariuslol wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2012 13:03 patti wrote:   On July 01 2012 11:11 Mariuslol wrote:   On July 01 2012 06:24 patti wrote: amen to that. if I remember loco/marius dynamic correctly, I'm surprised loco even responded to marius specifically I'll take the time here and respond to you. I'd say the difference between me and you are quite similar to the gap between me and Loco Poco. Yeah, fairly accurate. You're welcome <3 Lol, ill also take a moment; I was referring to your incessant need for attention and validation. It's pretty clear that any response from loco to you makes you wet. My need for attention and validation is extremely low,

Uhm......no.

On July 01 2012 22:54 whamm! wrote: Loco, do you still play poker? If so what's the point? I remember you being a very good player before but I find it hard to imagine with your views now that you would be motivated enough to grind out sessions on a regular basis. I mean, poker is really hard enough now even for optimists.

Actually I don't. I posted hands when I played. But even when I did I have always had problems being motivated. Of course you are right, I find nothing more soul-crushing than having to play this game. Luckily I don't have to. It is definitely a game better suited for optimists and worldly-ambitious people. I am neither.

I agree and disagree with lots of things that have been said in this thread by various posters.

I do find it rather ironic that Loco champions himself as a realist then makes sensationalist posts about rare diseases affecting a tiny fragment of the total population. Even if we believed the hype that he portraits in that post, he comes to the erroneous conclusion that diseased people don't want to live. This is inaccurate. He is simply projecting his beliefs onto an entire population.

So sorry that you're apathetic Loco. First world problems, I guess.

Enjoy the ride while it lasts because as everyone in this thread knows, we are all gonna die. Might as well make the best of it.

Instead of incessantly bitching, you could perhaps, improve yourself and the world around to make this journey towards death a little more enjoyable. Oh, but that's not edgy enough.

Also, I think MariusLOL has made some pretty good posts and insightful comments. Then again, I respect people who try to better themselves.

On July 02 2012 15:17 goose58 wrote: I agree and disagree with lots of things that have been said in this thread by various posters. I do find it rather ironic that Loco champions himself as a realist then makes sensationalist posts about rare diseases affecting a tiny fragment of the total population. Even if we believed the hype that he portraits in that post, he comes to the erroneous conclusion that diseased people don't want to live. This is inaccurate. He is simply projecting his beliefs onto an entire population. So sorry that you're apathetic Loco. First world problems, I guess. Enjoy the ride while it lasts because as everyone in this thread knows, we are all gonna die. Might as well make the best of it. Instead of incessantly bitching, you could perhaps, improve yourself and the world around to make this journey towards death a little more enjoyable. Oh, but that's not edgy enough. Also, I think MariusLOL has made some pretty good posts and insightful comments. Then again, I respect people who try to better themselves.

People cannot better themselves. They can only be influenced by strong motives that overpower criminal motives. "Real moral reform is not at all possible, but only determent from the deed...." And just look at Marius' posts to me, his blatant hypocrisy where he tells me there is a higher road than the one I choose to communicate with people, all the while having petty resentment towards me and taking jabs at me and my philosophy. Point proven.

I actually remember you from a thread not far back where you were the only one siding with d_smart_s. I couldn't care less who you respect and what your opinions are on the matters presented in this thread. I don't think anybody cares either that you "agree and disagree with a lot of posters" if you are incapable of elaborating on anything that was said. Completely useless statement.

And about the claim I was being sensationalist: I have taken one example of one person with one disease for the purpose of proving that life isn't all grand for everybody. One example is enough to prove my point, there was no reason for me to come up with more. This person could have been you. No, this person is you. There is no difference. You and I had a better roll in the lottery of life, whereas many other people didn't and pay for people like you to "enjoy the ride". And you are not even willing to acknowledge that, so fuck you and your deluded "it's just a minority that suffers hell"-mentality. And I didn't know that Merrick's condition was that rare, that was brought up by another poster. I thought from memory that he had Elephantiasis, and that isn't nearly as rare, as I have shown from the statistics previously.

"Even if we believed the hype that he portraits in that post, he comes to the erroneous conclusion that diseased people don't want to live. This is inaccurate." More proof that you are full of shit. I have never once said that and I do not believe this. One of my heroes is Jason Becker, I have made a thread about him in the past; he suffers from ALS and there is a point in the thread where I was really mad at Baal because he said he should kill himself because his life sucked. I said that he actually had no idea about that and that he was in fact wrong. And why in the hell would I believe that when I am aware that there are people like this Jesus freak who oppose the RTD movement because of his own subjective experiences with "his wonderful quality of life and the support of his family, friends and church."?



I am well aware that many fellow sufferers find life worth living. But many others don't, and they are the ones being overlooked by people like you. Plus, what do you know about me? How do you know that I don't actually have a disease that has ruined my life? You don't, and you are an asshole. No wonder d_smart_s likes you.

Oh, and if other people like goose58 want to take the piss because I am obviously wrong and pleasure outweighs the pain in the world, why don't you argue this point properly instead of this kind of shit? Here, just take the popular example given by Schopenhauer that I posted above, the one of two animals, "one of which is engaged in eating the other." Is there a balance there? Or is the pleasure of the animal devouring the other greater than the pain experienced by the one being eaten alive? Or is it the opposite? I also challenge you to watch the documentary below and see if your view holds. Also bear in mind that, according to USDA sources, close to 20 billion animals were raised and killed for food in the US alone in 2010-2011, and up to 50% of the world's food is thrown in the trash.

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eh, i think about the lottery on the outcome of humanity, the trillions of trillion sided dice rolls happening every second, and things like determinism for hours on end every day. it's not a depressing thing to think about for me, even though believing in these things means i cannot take pride in anything i do.

Anyway, i don't see any reason to be pessimistic about reality.

That's odd. Isn't there a pretty good reason posted just above you?

Anyway, philosophical pessimism doesn't imply that everything is shit and depressing, just that the suffering outweighs the pleasure in this world. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy anything.

On July 02 2012 15:17 goose58 wrote: I agree and disagree with lots of things that have been said in this thread by various posters. I do find it rather ironic that Loco champions himself as a realist then makes sensationalist posts about rare diseases affecting a tiny fragment of the total population. Even if we believed the hype that he portraits in that post, he comes to the erroneous conclusion that diseased people don't want to live. This is inaccurate. He is simply projecting his beliefs onto an entire population. So sorry that you're apathetic Loco. First world problems, I guess. Enjoy the ride while it lasts because as everyone in this thread knows, we are all gonna die. Might as well make the best of it. Instead of incessantly bitching, you could perhaps, improve yourself and the world around to make this journey towards death a little more enjoyable. Oh, but that's not edgy enough. Also, I think MariusLOL has made some pretty good posts and insightful comments. Then again, I respect people who try to better themselves.

agree with you 100%

Loco, marius, tutz, simply out of curiosity, might I ask how old you are ?

On July 02 2012 15:17 goose58 wrote: Also, I think MariusLOL has made some pretty good posts and insightful comments.

you mean in this thread? lol come on. which comments would you say have been insightful and/or good?

i mean his random stream of consciousness writing style is entertaining for some of his blog stories, but i still have no idea wtf his point is/was in this thread, other than that he apparently gets annoyed with loco very easily for some reason.

On July 02 2012 18:09 Loco wrote: That's odd. Isn't there a pretty good reason posted just above you?

maybe that is a good reason for some people, but it may be because i have a different chemical balance in my brain than other people, shit like that does not get me depressed or make me feel pessimistic.

i havn't really researched into philosophical pessimism but it seems like a rather subjective philosophy to me because a belief that one suffers more than the pleasure they get really is swayed by the bias of ones own brain. I tend to only follow philosophies that are universal truths, and this is not one for me because i wish i had been born.

as an added note i'm not really sure if i believe in determinism anymore because it seems to conflict with quantum mechanics, or so i've been told by my physicist brother. i'm no expert in this stuff.

The arguments for Determinism and the illusion of free choice are pretty strong imo.

Is this one of those lets-chase-the-utopia kind of threads?

Yes spitfiree, and patti, they aren't just strong, they are the truth.

Stroggoz, you are the one who is being subjective and who is swayed by the biases of his brain here. Look at what you say: "Because I am happy to exist, a philosophy that states that suffering outweighs pleasure must be wrong." There is no ounce of objectivity in your post. You can't start first with your feelings about your own existence and project it onto the world. If you observe the world of phenomena and do not get deceived by your personal experience the truth of it is obvious. And no, quantum physics do not disprove determinism.

On July 02 2012 19:10 Loco wrote: Yes spitfiree, and patti, they aren't just strong, they are the truth. Stroggoz, you are the one who is being subjective and who is swayed by the biases of his brain here. Look at what you say: "Because I am happy to exist, a philosophy that states that suffering outweighs pleasure must be wrong." There is no ounce of objectivity in your post. You can't start first with your feelings about your own existence and project it onto the world. If you observe the world of phenomena and do not get deceived by your personal experience the truth of it is obvious. And no, quantum physics do not disprove determinism.

yeah, i know im being subjective. everyone is when it comes to pessimism or optimism, and that's what i just said. that's why i find it hard for there to be any objectivity behind pessimissim . Like i said, i only follow philosphies that are universal truths. A lot of people find life worth living and a lot of people don't. How does one find that pessimism is realism from that?

On July 02 2012 18:54 Spitfiree wrote: Is this one of those lets-chase-the-utopia kind of threads?

It was supposed to be. Look at the first page, I was on derail mode then. But Loco took it to a whole new level.

On July 02 2012 19:26 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2012 19:10 Loco wrote: Yes spitfiree, and patti, they aren't just strong, they are the truth. Stroggoz, you are the one who is being subjective and who is swayed by the biases of his brain here. Look at what you say: "Because I am happy to exist, a philosophy that states that suffering outweighs pleasure must be wrong." There is no ounce of objectivity in your post. You can't start first with your feelings about your own existence and project it onto the world. If you observe the world of phenomena and do not get deceived by your personal experience the truth of it is obvious. And no, quantum physics do not disprove determinism. yeah, i know im being subjective. everyone is when it comes to pessimism or optimism, and that's what i just said. that's why i find it hard for there to be any objectivity behind pessimissim . Like i said, i only follow philosphies that are universal truths.

No, that's not how it works, because philosophy is a science. In the words of Schopenhauer: "Philosophy ... is a science, and as such has no articles of faith; accordingly, in it nothing can be assumed as existing except what is either positively given empirically, or demonstrated through indubitable conclusions."

When we talk about philosophical pessimism, we talk about more than individual bias, we talk about a field of study--a science. The individual's optimism and pessimism are outlooks on the world, they are attitudes which depend on your beliefs and temperament, they are not philosophies, and therefore not to be relied upon in serious inquiries such as is the task of philosophy.

A lot of people find life worth living and a lot of people don't. How does one find that pessimism is realism from that?

Because of the observable enormous amount of suffering in the world.

I just saw this, how do you explain that a speech like this is given to the youth of Colombia?

And just look at Marius' posts to me, his blatant hypocrisy where he tells me there is a higher road than the one I choose to communicate with people, all the while having petty resentment towards me and taking jabs at me and my philosophy. Point proven


LoL, you really got the wrong idea of me. There is a much higher road. Petty resentment, I never talked trash about you or about you to anyone, and when my dad asked me what I did yesterday, I said "ahh, pulling my hair out, this guy with incredible rich vocabulary is close, but wasting it". With a respectful envious voice.

The jabs is to see if I can predict your reaction, if you saw through the layers you'd find them comical instead of getting offended. (When I get offended it's because of an emotional rise then and there, and I go away, and I don't post right after, I wait till I'm not, often).

Your philosophy is cool and awesome (although a bit too dark for my taste, I still indulge in it, listen to some of the stuff, watch links etc). What I lol about is you just "hijack" threads and then change them into a debate, kinda like I was just standing there all handsome n cool, and before I know it you've bent me over and before I come to my senses I realize you've pulled down my pants about to pound me.

Oh, and it gives more of a sting to it, sounds more awesome if you remove the "Point proven". That's something D_smart would do (no joke, since you do sound really cool when you're all high and mighty". It was splendid till I got there. And I can understand why 80% of the people who read that line would nod and go "yea, Marius so petty and resentful".

WHICH IM NOT, I'm colorful and awesome!!

So there!!!

HAh.....

Ps, but I still feel a little stupid, but that's got nothing to do with you. More like a default <3

I wish someone would get back from the dead and tell us what's really going on.