On June 30 2012 21:05 Arirang wrote:
How's it feel like being perpetually 16 years old OP?
I actually understand why you say that, but I think you're wrong. The post seems childish, but I don't think I am. Though, I do have a disregard for cheap oneliners. Felt better about yourself while posting that?
Anyway, I'm just sick of the negative thoughts, the crap on the internet, the discussions with friends where I'm the negative prick.
I just rather am "naive" and work on a future that might collapse some day, than being negative and not getting shit done right now.
On June 30 2012 23:11 Mariuslol wrote:
^ All of that is a bunch of my opinions, that's aaaalll it iz
Having written a bunch of things and then using the "it's my opinion" bs just shows where you are at intellectually. Instead of trying to demean Loco you should be thanking him. He constantly gives people insight into and disects the problems so well one must make an effort to misinterprit his intentions. He basicly destroyed hours of your efforts with one sentence. + Show Spoiler +
"Would you link him to your pathetic sites on self-improvement..."
I guess people just want to participate in a tug-of-war with Loco for different reasons.
Yeah but if you are only expressing your opinions (no matter how irrelveant, poorly argumented, plain stupid) you can never be wrong and ride a unicorn to the end of the rainbow to greet the leprechaun that holds a pot of fools gold.
Oh cmon loco. Yes we are not here for anything, there is no grand purpose. The world is in many ways a dark and evil place. But there is also happiness and beauty and things are in many ways getting better. Not saying that will keep going forever but we do live in the least violent of times and many 3rd world countries are making extraordinary progress.These changes in the world are many times driven forward by people believing we can make the world better(an attitude that you obv despise).
You might be "right" and they might be wrong, naive disillusional or w/e but I will still side with them any day. So what if our existence is meaningless, me and and majority of the worlds population are still happy to be experiencing it.
well it seems like this thread has turned into a philosophical well for Loco =)
One think I'd like to suggest though, is that while I find the things about the absence of meaning in life to be true, the optimistic or pessimistic way to look at it is in the eye of the beholder.
Where one sees the absence of meaning as devastating the other can see it as an opportunity to get rid of the need of meaning completely (based on the idea that it's a metaphysical concept spread widely by Christianity)
Nietzsche and Schopenhauer, two philosophical monsters of similar intellectual personalities, reach impressively opposite conclusions... One stands for life/self affirmation in an even aggressive manner, the other one for accepting existence as the greatest of evils,with the Buddhist monk presented as an ethical ideal of life.
Take your pick gentlemen, I find myself closer to N. for various reasons, also if I ever played diablo3 even there I'd prefer a warrior over a monk's avatar =O
new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...
as always i like to play a bit of freedom/choice/action/attitude devil's advocate.
re: elephant man
There is no denying that that would be a pretty shitty starting point/situation but he certainly had the opportunity to parlay that into making some scratch and trying to find some meaning. He could find an elephant woman or women w/ elephant man fetishes online, join a freak show circuit and make some friends, w/e he wants to try and experience, accomplish, acquire, build.
Starving kids in Africa is much tougher. How much reason, agency, responsibility can small children really have?
When faced with that reality it's hard to know what to think especially since most people, myself included, "delude" themselves by just not thinking about it. Changing the channel or riding a different ride like I have said in previous posts.
Currently, I have about 0 impact utility wise on making any sort of dent in that situation. I could make it my life's work to try and become a famous billionaire so i would have some impact utility wise in changing the situation but the situation is still probably going to be shitty. That sounds extremely frustrating and depressing.
Life can be extremely frustrating and depressing no matter what you do so I just try to take the evidence and information available and try and make choices based on that evidence/information that lead to the opposite of frustrating and depressing outcomes.
As always, we don't exist, then we do, then we don't but it certainly doesn't seem meaningless while spending time in that place you want to be, doing those things you want to be doing with people (or lack of people) you want to be with.
It comes down to semantics:
Does occupation/transcendence/losing ones' self = delusion?
Does occupying a consciousness with fun, enjoyable, stimulating, passionate occupation/meaning = deluding ones' self?
Can one find "meaning" in a "meaningless" existence?
Loco I usually agree with a lot of the stuff you are saying, but I have a hard time with your claim that life is meaningless for a fact. Of course this is no fact, as in a self evident fact, it is your claim, nothing more, it certainly isn't a fact.
What is a fact? and how do you verify that your fact is also my fact? You can't and you will never be able to, due to our subjective experience. Your life might be meaningless while your neighbour finds a lot of meaning in his life. Even if there was no meaning, it is still an experience, which provides a meaning in itself, namely that of an experience.
We think we are so smart, but we are nothing in the big picture, life is so much bigger than us and our tiny earth. Open you eyes and mind, and be amazed of this complexity we call life and existence. We have only scratched the surface of knowledge, there is an endless world with endless possibilities to explore out there.
Take a word of advice and a lesson in humility from good old Socrates who said "scio me nihil scire" "I know that I know nothing".
I started out with nothing and I still got most of it left
You're really smart and everything loco, but you're a bit of a pessimist, I watched through most of the stuff you link to, or browse, skim books you casually mention. It's a bit over the top, the words you are using now is also "useless" if you "meditate" on it a little bit. After all, it's just chemicals and electrical currents n shit flowing through your brain. When you zoom out and "think" about everything, it's breath-takingly amazing, and not "we're not here to do anything". And if we're here to not do anything, why are you doing something?
I have already answered that last bit. I am doing something because to be is to do. No animal simply stays still for all its lifetime waiting to expire and go back to being the dust it once was. I am evolutionary programmed to need and seek certain things out, and my abstention from these things would simply lead to suffering to a point that would become too unbearable if prolonged.
Yes, it can be "breath-takingly amazing", but only for as long as you are not seeing or experiencing the darker side of it all, the price that is being paid daily by other consciousnesses for you to be currently enjoying your experience. For as long as it is concealed from you it will be possible. But it will not be breath-takingly amazing if you are observing a child in a third-world country having its face eaten alive by bugs, or a pet dog being brutally beaten to death by some cruel redneck, or some elderly woman having such a gigantic tumor in her face that it gouges one of her eyes out. But this has little impact upon reading, so let's use pictures instead.
Here you have Joseph Merrick, also known as the 'Elephant Man'. He was made into a freak show and survived for a while earning money from his exhibitions until his illness killed him. Do you think this person (or any other with Elephantiasis) ever woke up in the morning and thought "this is breath-takingly amazing! I am so glad to be here."? Assuming this person isn't very happy with his existence, would you blame this person for being too pessimistic about life? Would you link him to your pathetic sites on self-improvement and teach him how to avoid negative thoughts?
On June 30 2012 23:10 Mariuslol wrote:
So I usually read what you write, then I "spice" it up a bit, and I feel that kinda hit the marks, you're maybe 63% too negative. (But don't change, I respect you equally much regardless xD)
(What I was thinking about was that nihilistic video you posted in one of Tutz blogs. It's all a bit over the top, don't think it's good for any brain to get too consumed in that way of thinking).
One that comes to mind was the Roman Empire one "blabla, proof that all great civilizations come to dust" something along those lines, a bit over the top, kinda have to smile and close the link. Although I do like to contemplate and think in those thoughts for awhile, try to really "feel it", just to get a sense for it, then put on some pink glasses, to get both sides.
Hmm, I'm not really saying much here, might be trying to be too polite, not to hurt your feelings xD
Well, you said it yourself, you think that putting on pink glasses is the way to go. I don't. I don't believe in putting any glasses on. I certainly don't believe self-deception amounts to anything of value. And I have also deepened things to a point where self-deception is a very hard thing to accomplish, whereas it comes to most very easily. I also have enough strength to not only look at things as they really are but also to keep doing so, so I guess that's one of the differences between our approach to life.
What's with the pictures? Stephen Hawking? My point still stand, but thanks for going out of your way trying to be a dick (felt an insult here was okay), hiding it in your fluent linguistics.
Insinuating I've not seen or experienced the darker side of it all, just words, for all you know, I might have.
And I wouldn't post a link to any of these people to my pathetic sites on self-improvement.(This is interesting, you usually don't go out of your way being a dick, wonder what nerve was hit, and you're like everybody else, except with better grammar lol).
I would feel compassion and empathy toward their situation.
Reason I need to put on pink glasses is because, much like you, but not to the same extent, I am a pessimist, I scrutinize, I find faults, I dissect, I take apart. So when something happens, or I try and analyze a situation, I know I'm overly critical, so if I take a step back, do it again, with "pink glasses" I kinda hit closer to the actual mark.
Aaaand toward the end, meh, not sure if I want to reply lol, more camouflaged insults, assumptions pulled out of your ass (another insult here for making it even) and "crap".
Don't like you trying to compare our life's approaches. You look at things "as they really are" with the knowledge and beliefs you already have, that isn't any different from what I am doing.
Your self deception is probably far deeper than mine, I just can't articulate it as convincingly as you over a forum. Nor do I go out of my way trying to do so. Most of my life I've followed what I felt was Real, even though everyone around me said/did the contrary. I never needed books, people, teachers, shit like that to show me, I just felt it. Most of the time that is lol.
EDIT: I don't feel motivated, or excited enough to put in more effort than roughly 17% when talking on the forums (a couple of times I have mustered up a little more, maybe 25%), but I "feel" I'm pretty spot on in my assessment on you as a person Loco. And I felt bad for not taking what you put quite a bit of effort into explaining seriously. So I decided to "study" a little bit on something I feel was related to you. And I made another "pathetic blog", at least when I do that I put in more than 60% effort, and I feel that's a sign of respect <3
Ps, the sentence above isn't an insult. But in my head I feel you'll take it as one, maybe 60% sure you would.
On June 30 2012 23:11 Mariuslol wrote:
^ All of that is a bunch of my opinions, that's aaaalll it iz
Having written a bunch of things and then using the "it's my opinion" bs just shows where you are at intellectually. Instead of trying to demean Loco you should be thanking him. He constantly gives people insight into and disects the problems so well one must make an effort to misinterprit his intentions. He basicly destroyed hours of your efforts with one sentence. + Show Spoiler +
"Would you link him to your pathetic sites on self-improvement..."
I guess people just want to participate in a tug-of-war with Loco for different reasons.
It's their end phrase in every episode, I just say it as a personal lul to myself. T_T, nice to see you've decided to be a bit of a douche lately though =p
"That's aaaaalll it iz, just advice man... YOU CAN DO WHATEVER THE FUUCK, you wanna do" <-----
On July 01 2012 09:22 RiKD wrote:
There is no denying that that would be a pretty shitty starting point/situation but he certainly had the opportunity to parlay that into making some scratch and trying to find some meaning. He could find an elephant woman or women w/ elephant man fetishes online, join a freak show circuit and make some friends, w/e he wants to try and experience, accomplish, acquire, build.
that would be so brutal though, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proteus_syndrome there's currently about 120 people living with that disorder. say half of them are women, so he's down to 60 potential mates. then let's say 10 of the elephant women are out of his league, and 10 of them are undesirable due to pointy elbows and so on.
he's down to 40 potential partners, so if he just goes on 2 dates with different girls and they both fail he's already eliminated 5% of his potential partners. that's a lot of pressure, plus he probably has a higher rate of failure due to confidence/self-image issues, fuck his life.
On July 01 2012 09:22 RiKD wrote:
There is no denying that that would be a pretty shitty starting point/situation but he certainly had the opportunity to parlay that into making some scratch and trying to find some meaning. He could find an elephant woman or women w/ elephant man fetishes online, join a freak show circuit and make some friends, w/e he wants to try and experience, accomplish, acquire, build.
that would be so brutal though, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proteus_syndrome there's currently about 120 people living with that disorder. say half of them are women, so he's down to 60 potential mates. then let's say 10 of the elephant women are out of his league, and 10 of them are undesirable due to pointy elbows and so on.
he's down to 40 potential partners, so if he just goes on 2 dates with different girls and they both fail he's already eliminated 5% of his potential partners. that's a lot of pressure, plus he probably has a higher rate of failure due to confidence/self-image issues, fuck his life.
"Lymphatic filariasis affects over 120 million people, primarily in Africa and South-East Asia, with about 40 million disfigured and incapacitated by the disease."
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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