Get a grip - Page 10

On July 03 2012 14:28 Loco wrote: It's important to be able to laugh (and especially at oneself) when you have a sinister outlook on life. Laughter is an act of superiority, a triumph over the universe, a marvelous thing that reduces things to their just proportions...

Yay, made me clap. I'm so proud of you lol.


Made an observation. (Just ran and doubled checked in the mirror to make sure).

Me and Loco kinda look a like lol, strikingly similar I'd say. What do you guys think about that!

I think you guys will get along irl. Internet forums make you half troll and shit. It is different irl cos you are being who you really are when you're really talking to the guy.

I hope none of you guys take everything here seriously. Also I noticed pm's usually make me who I really am when I send pm's to someone. Dont know about the others.

Or I think Loco and Mariuslol is the same person trolling/leveling everyone. If so, you are my hero.

On July 02 2012 16:30 Loco wrote: People cannot better themselves.

Wrong, this is asinine and betrays your lack of knowledge on the topic. Are you really taking this stance?

I actually remember you from a thread not far back where you were the only one siding with d_smart_s. I couldn't care less who you respect and what your opinions are on the matters presented in this thread. I don't think anybody cares either that you "agree and disagree with a lot of posters" if you are incapable of elaborating on anything that was said. Completely useless statement.

So you're saying that d_smart is incorrect in every statement he makes? I suppose by your accord that every statement you make is correct? This is inaccurate, even the smartest man on earth makes mistakes.

Yes, I agree and disagree with a lot of posters in this thread. It's a waste of time pointing out every damn example. I agree with some of your points, and disagree with others.

And about the claim I was being sensationalist: I have taken one example of one person with one disease for the purpose of proving that life isn't all grand for everybody. One example is enough to prove my point, there was no reason for me to come up with more. This person could have been you. No, this person is you. There is no difference. You and I had a better roll in the lottery of life, whereas many other people didn't and pay for people like you to "enjoy the ride". And you are not even willing to acknowledge that, so fuck you and your deluded "it's just a minority that suffers hell"-mentality. And I didn't know that Merrick's condition was that rare, that was brought up by another poster. I thought from memory that he had Elephantiasis, and that isn't nearly as rare, as I have shown from the statistics previously.

A lot of the posts you make are sensationalist, and therefore inaccurate. Painting the world as pointless and black is the same thing as painting the world rosy and perfect. Life contains both good and bad. Pleasure and pain. Surely you don't disagree with this. The only thing worth arguing is the ratio of "good" to "bad".

I fully agree that we are extremely lucky people. This is not a novel viewpoint.

"Even if we believed the hype that he portraits in that post, he comes to the erroneous conclusion that diseased people don't want to live. This is inaccurate." More proof that you are full of shit. I have never once said that and I do not believe this. One of my heroes is Jason Becker, I have made a thread about him in the past; he suffers from ALS and there is a point in the thread where I was really mad at Baal because he said he should kill himself because his life sucked. I said that he actually had no idea about that and that he was in fact wrong. And why in the hell would I believe that when I am aware that there are people like this Jesus freak who oppose the RTD movement because of his own subjective experiences with "his wonderful quality of life and the support of his family, friends and church."?

You stated:

"I'm a bit shocked that you would think the Elephant Man could have had a life worth living. He was exploited until his death and lived most of his life in horrible pain, emotional and physical. Would you really want to 'make-do' as someone like him? I don't think so."

I inferred this as "diseased people don't want to live". Perhaps I was wrong to assume that. Now is your chance to expand or correct this statement.

I am well aware that many fellow sufferers find life worth living. But many others don't, and they are the ones being overlooked by people like you. Plus, what do you know about me? How do you know that I don't actually have a disease that has ruined my life? You don't, and you are an asshole. No wonder d_smart_s likes you. Oh, and if other people like goose58 want to take the piss because I am obviously wrong and pleasure outweighs the pain in the world, why don't you argue this point properly instead of this kind of shit? Here, just take the popular example given by Schopenhauer that I posted above, the one of two animals, "one of which is engaged in eating the other." Is there a balance there? Or is the pleasure of the animal devouring the other greater than the pain experienced by the one being eaten alive? Or is it the opposite? I also challenge you to watch the documentary below and see if your view holds. Also bear in mind that, according to USDA sources, close to 20 billion animals were raised and killed for food in the US alone in 2010-2011, and up to 50% of the world's food is thrown in the trash. Documentary: + Show Spoiler +

Good luck with your hating life goals of 2012.

Here is the picture that Loco made imitating that other pic

On July 03 2012 20:24 goose58 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2012 16:30 Loco wrote: People cannot better themselves. Wrong, this is asinine and betrays your lack of knowledge on the topic. Are you really taking this stance?   I actually remember you from a thread not far back where you were the only one siding with d_smart_s. I couldn't care less who you respect and what your opinions are on the matters presented in this thread. I don't think anybody cares either that you "agree and disagree with a lot of posters" if you are incapable of elaborating on anything that was said. Completely useless statement. So you're saying that d_smart is incorrect in every statement he makes? I suppose by your accord that every statement you make is correct? This is inaccurate, even the smartest man on earth makes mistakes. Yes, I agree and disagree with a lot of posters in this thread. It's a waste of time pointing out every damn example. I agree with some of your points, and disagree with others.   And about the claim I was being sensationalist: I have taken one example of one person with one disease for the purpose of proving that life isn't all grand for everybody. One example is enough to prove my point, there was no reason for me to come up with more. This person could have been you. No, this person is you. There is no difference. You and I had a better roll in the lottery of life, whereas many other people didn't and pay for people like you to "enjoy the ride". And you are not even willing to acknowledge that, so fuck you and your deluded "it's just a minority that suffers hell"-mentality. And I didn't know that Merrick's condition was that rare, that was brought up by another poster. I thought from memory that he had Elephantiasis, and that isn't nearly as rare, as I have shown from the statistics previously. A lot of the posts you make are sensationalist, and therefore inaccurate. Painting the world as pointless and black is the same thing as painting the world rosy and perfect. Life contains both good and bad. Pleasure and pain. Surely you don't disagree with this. The only thing worth arguing is the ratio of "good" to "bad". I fully agree that we are extremely lucky people. This is not a novel viewpoint.   "Even if we believed the hype that he portraits in that post, he comes to the erroneous conclusion that diseased people don't want to live. This is inaccurate." More proof that you are full of shit. I have never once said that and I do not believe this. One of my heroes is Jason Becker, I have made a thread about him in the past; he suffers from ALS and there is a point in the thread where I was really mad at Baal because he said he should kill himself because his life sucked. I said that he actually had no idea about that and that he was in fact wrong. And why in the hell would I believe that when I am aware that there are people like this Jesus freak who oppose the RTD movement because of his own subjective experiences with "his wonderful quality of life and the support of his family, friends and church."? You stated: "I'm a bit shocked that you would think the Elephant Man could have had a life worth living. He was exploited until his death and lived most of his life in horrible pain, emotional and physical. Would you really want to 'make-do' as someone like him? I don't think so." I inferred this as "diseased people don't want to live". Perhaps I was wrong to assume that. Now is your chance to expand or correct this statement.   I am well aware that many fellow sufferers find life worth living. But many others don't, and they are the ones being overlooked by people like you. Plus, what do you know about me? How do you know that I don't actually have a disease that has ruined my life? You don't, and you are an asshole. No wonder d_smart_s likes you. Oh, and if other people like goose58 want to take the piss because I am obviously wrong and pleasure outweighs the pain in the world, why don't you argue this point properly instead of this kind of shit? Here, just take the popular example given by Schopenhauer that I posted above, the one of two animals, "one of which is engaged in eating the other." Is there a balance there? Or is the pleasure of the animal devouring the other greater than the pain experienced by the one being eaten alive? Or is it the opposite? I also challenge you to watch the documentary below and see if your view holds. Also bear in mind that, according to USDA sources, close to 20 billion animals were raised and killed for food in the US alone in 2010-2011, and up to 50% of the world's food is thrown in the trash. Documentary: + Show Spoiler + Good luck with your hating life goals of 2012.

Yes, I am really taking this stance. This shouldn't be mistaken as me saying people cannot improve their abilities in doing things, that much should be obvious enough. What I am saying is that people's characters cannot be modified, that their nature is unalterable, because the will is not something that you control, it is, in fact, a force that controls you entirely and has shaped your individuality as it is. This is why we say that true friendship is accepting someone like he is, and not making the foolish mistake of expecting the other person to change. It's about as wise to expect a person to change his ways as it is to expect a dog to stop barking.

None of us really are lucky, we just like to think we are when in fact we are just less unfortunate than others, and this is what offers people the greatest comfort--that there are always people who are worse off than themselves. But we will all experience anguish and die, and the most enlightened ones will also suffer existentially for all their lives. This is no luck.


You have inferred wrongly. What I said is that this was one example (among many others) of a life not worth living. A person who, because of his disease, has been abandoned by his family, never had any friends, never had any of his romantic and sexual needs met, and who has been exploited by people until his death and who therefore suffered immense pain both physically and psychologically for all his life - and I really do mean unrelenting suffering - did not have a life worth living. Any being who is deprived of the freedom to pursue his own interests and realize himself in life did not have a life worth living. This doesn't mean that everyone with an illness has suffered the same fate, that is why I have chosen that person in particular.

And if you were the only one to agree with d_smart_s in a thread, chances are you are not a very smart person.

On July 03 2012 21:57 Loco wrote: Yes, I am really taking this stance. This shouldn't be mistaken as me saying people cannot improve their abilities in doing things, that much should be obvious enough. What I am saying is that people's characters cannot be modified, that their nature is unalterable, because the will is not something that you control, it is, in fact, a force that controls you entirely and has shaped your individuality as it is. This is why we say that true friendship is accepting someone like he is, and not making the foolish mistake of expecting the other person to change. It's about as wise to expect a person to change his ways as it is to expect a dog to stop barking.

Where's the proof that a person's character cannot be modified? This seems to be just your opinion. People's behavior improve and decline depending on who they are. Many criminals have learned the errors of their ways and reformed. Many people have regrets and learn from their past.

Character: "The mental and moral qualities distinctive to an individual".
Morals: "A person's standards of behavior or beliefs concerning what is and is not acceptable for them to do".

None of us really are lucky, we just like to think we are when in fact we are just less unfortunate than others, and this is what offers people the greatest comfort--that there are always people who are worse off than themselves. But we will all experience anguish and die, and the most enlightened ones will also suffer existentially for all their lives. This is no luck.

Well someone out there is lucky, and vice-versa. It's a statistical fact..

You have inferred wrongly. What I said is that this was one example (among many others) of a life not worth living. A person who, because of his disease, has been abandoned by his family, never had any friends, never had any of his romantic and sexual needs met, and who has been exploited by people until his death and who therefore suffered immense pain both physically and psychologically for all his life - and I really do mean unrelenting suffering - did not have a life worth living. Any being who is deprived of the freedom to pursue his own interests and realize himself in life did not have a life worth living. This doesn't mean that everyone with an illness has suffered the same fate, that is why I have chosen that person in particular.

Who are you to say when a life is worth living? Some people are diseased and in pain but want to live. Some people are very healthy/successful yet want to die.

And if you were the only one to agree with d_smart_s in a thread, chances are you are not a very smart person.

A smart person can and will be wrong at some point, and vice-versa.

I am a person with common sense. It is common sense for me to assume that you would not find life worth living if you were being abused in a concentration camp and everyone you knew including your whole family had just been murdered. Similarly, I also assume that you would not enjoy life were you to find yourself in this person's condition, and I believe you would find little reason to wish to stick around, especially if you are an atheist. It is of no importance that there are deluded believers who think that their lives are worth living in the worst situations that can befall a human being. To use them and make an argument from popularity is a sure sign of stupidity. And the people who are "healthy and successful" and want to die are just a testament to the insatiable nature of man, and the fact that nothing you will ever do will bring you lasting happiness. They are just more evidence that suffering outweighs pleasure in life - a truth that someone who is no longer blinkered like a child will come to realize.

As for your initial request, sadly it is not something that can be quickly demonstrated to someone who is not familiar with the topic at hand. I believe that a proper study into the area of free will and determinism, as well as the psychological concept of sublimation, will help you find your answer. I do not have the time nor the motivation to dumb down and put in easy-to-swallow format the works of people who have demonstrated beyond the shadow of a doubt that what I have said on the matter is true. I would recommend precise works if I believed you were genuinely interested but I don't believe you are, so I will just say that those who wish to know of them can just PM me.

Live life. Dont conceptualize it.

On July 03 2012 19:55 Mariuslol wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2012 13:14 brambolius wrote: I asked a simple question, I didnt ask for a Rube Goldberg machine. Also, I highly doubt that you are 112.8 years old. That's how many earth years would have passed for a sixty year old martian......so........ye....... Oh, I think you did the math the wrong way. You can't always get what you ask for, each time I ask Loco for something I get the opposite. We humans are funny that way.

First of all, there is no "We humans", you reacted the way you did by choice, I'm guessing to be funny/smart or whatever. That's You, not We, gettit?

Secondly, you bungled your little joke/riddle/whatever, deal with it and post your age lol.

On June 30 2012 18:05 FvL wrote: We're living in a world that seems to get worse every day. We're the 80's/90's generation, and we're raised believing that everything is designed to grow/get better. Now, when things aren't going our way, we're easily getting disillusioned. We create or believe conspiracy theories to elucidate our "not-so-perfect-world". Sure, previous generations messed things up for us. Some people got extremely wealthy by doing unethical things. But we're the generation who's job it is to make things right. So stop fantasising and get a grip. You're not a victim. No more reptilians/illuminati talk. The future is ours. Video: http://vimeo.com/44658040

Wtg OP. Good job.

Lol trol

On July 04 2012 01:49 Loco wrote: I am a person with common sense. It is common sense for me to assume that you would not find life worth living if you were being abused in a concentration camp and everyone you knew including your whole family had just been murdered. Similarly, I also assume that you would not enjoy life were you to find yourself in this person's condition, and I believe you would find little reason to wish to stick around, especially if you are an atheist. It is of no importance that there are deluded believers who think that their lives are worth living in the worst situations that can befall a human being. To use them and make an argument from popularity is a sure sign of stupidity. And the people who are "healthy and successful" and want to die are just a testament to the insatiable nature of man, and the fact that nothing you will ever do will bring you lasting happiness. They are just more evidence that suffering outweighs pleasure in life - a truth that someone who is no longer blinkered like a child will come to realize. As for your initial request, sadly it is not something that can be quickly demonstrated to someone who is not familiar with the topic at hand. I believe that a proper study into the area of free will and determinism, as well as the psychological concept of sublimation, will help you find your answer. I do not have the time nor the motivation to dumb down and put in easy-to-swallow format the works of people who have demonstrated beyond the shadow of a doubt that what I have said on the matter is true. I would recommend precise works if I believed you were genuinely interested but I don't believe you are, so I will just say that those who wish to know of them can just PM me.

Yea.. you are really smart and you're opinions are so unique and anyone who disagree's with you is dumb. Gotcha.

Where have I heard this before?

wooow wtf? I thought this was the no masturbating thread...

I was all set to do a dirty slut thai hooker drive by post but now see for_sure_this_is_the_wrong_thread... .. so where did all that go? did it expl0de? ^^=

prematurely? ^^"

I'll just leave this here then...

at first I was like


and then I was like

solid thread, read it all eatin a whole pack of sea salt and vinegar crisps and it felt amazing

On July 04 2012 05:28 brambolius wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2012 19:55 Mariuslol wrote:   On July 03 2012 13:14 brambolius wrote: I asked a simple question, I didnt ask for a Rube Goldberg machine. Also, I highly doubt that you are 112.8 years old. That's how many earth years would have passed for a sixty year old martian......so........ye....... Oh, I think you did the math the wrong way. You can't always get what you ask for, each time I ask Loco for something I get the opposite. We humans are funny that way. First of all, there is no "We humans", you reacted the way you did by choice, I'm guessing to be funny/smart or whatever. That's You, not We, gettit? Secondly, you bungled your little joke/riddle/whatever, deal with it and post your age lol.

Heh, no, not to be funny, it's a mundane, average, relatable "saying". The humour in it was that it's bland and not funny, so that makes it funny, since It's rare I end sentences like that.

It doesn't matter too much to me if other laugh or find things I say or do amusing, it's a small added bonus. (Doesn't take much to get me laughing though, I lol each time Loco writes a complicated sentence, or Baal is strict, rough and moody, or when I get to Byrnesam's name when scrolling down, before seeing whatever pic he's got for us next).

It's not really a joke or a riddle, it's a lol, to make you google it, and you'll come up with something close to 687 days or so to orbit the sun, 365 is what the Earth takes.


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I also start smiling immeadeatly in public if someone is really tall, I almost get excited, since they tend to stumble, trip, or their hands move in a funny uncoordinated way, or they walse around lol.

Short people makes me smile as well, they often look up, lol