UFC on FX: Maynard vs. Guida

Date: Friday, June 22nd
Preliminary Card (Facebook): 16:00 LP.net / 2pm PST / 5pm EST Facebook stream
Preliminary Card (Fuel TV): 17:00 LP.net / 3pm PST / 6pm EST
Main Card Time (FX): 20:00 LP.net / 6pm PST / 9pm EST
Live Streams: Live on FX & Fuel TV - http://www.vipbox.tv (All MMA events are listed under the UFC button. Press the UFC button and you'll see the event in the list.)





Main Card (FX)

Gray Maynard (10-1-1) vs. Clay Guida (29-12) (Lightweight)
Sam Stout (17-7-1) vs. Spencer Fisher (24-8) (Lightweight)
Brian Ebersole (49-14-1) vs. TJ Waldburger (15-6) (Welterweight)
Ross Pearson (13-5) vs. Cub Swanson (16-5) (Featherweight)

Preliminary Card (Fuel TV)

Hatsu Hioki (26-4-2) vs. Ricardo Lamas (11-2) (Featherweight)
Ramsey Nijem (5-2) vs. C.J. Keith (8-0) (Lightweight)
Steven Siler (20-9) vs. Joey Gambino (9-0) (Featherweight)
Rick Story (13-5) vs. Brock Jardine (9-1) (Welterweight)
Nick Catone (9-2) vs. Chris Camozzi (16-5) (Middleweight)
Matt Brown (14-11) vs. Luis Ramos (19-7) (Welterweight)

Preliminary Card (Facebook)

Dan Miller (13-6) vs. Ricardo Funch (8-3) (Welterweight)
Ken Stone (10-3) vs. Dustin Pague (11-5) (Bantamweight)

Other

- The main event is expected to consist of a five round, non-championship, bout between Clay Guida and Gray Maynard. This would be Guida's first fight since losing to now UFC Lightweight Champion Ben Henderson on November 12, 2011 at UFC on Fox 1. Maynard's previous bout was on October 8, 2011 at UFC 136 and was against then UFC Lightweight Champion Frankie Edgar.
- The event will be the seventh that the UFC has hosted in Atlantic City, but the first since UFC 53 in 2005.
- Rich Attonito was expected to face Rick Story at the event. However, Attonito was forced out of the bout with an injury and replaced by Papy Abedi. Abedi was also forced out of the bout with an injury and replaced by promotional newcomer Brock Jardine.
- Jimy Hettes was expected to face Steven Siler at the event. However, Hettes was forced out of the bout with an injury and replaced by promotional newcomer Joey Gambino.
- Matthew Riddle was expected to face Luis Ramos at the event. However, Riddle was forced out of the bout with an injury and replaced by Matt Brown.
- Edwin Figueroa was expected to face Ken Stone at the event. However, Figueroa was forced out of the bout with an injury and replaced by Francisco Rivera. Rivera himself was injured and was replaced by Dustin Pague, who had just fought at UFC on FX 3 two weeks prior to this event.
- Spencer Fisher said he'll probably retire after this fight, win or lose.

There's 5 "big" event this week, so expect the General forum to be filled with MMA.

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Guida > Maynard (Guida will be wearing his hair in brades, due to some complaint Maynard filed. Also, people are thinking Maynard will rape Guida for some reason.)
Stout > Fisher
Ebersole > Waldburger
Swanson > Pearson (Hardest bet on the card for me, I love them both.)
Lamas > Hioki (hopefully Hioki doesn't luck box another decision win)
Nijem > Keith
Gambino > Siler (Siler has looked sloppy, and, Joey Gambino sounds like a gangster name. Gambino via bag over head and pistol whipped.)
Jardine > Story (How can you bet against a guy named BROCK + JARDINE???)
Camozzi > Catone
Ramos > Brown (Brown sucks so bad, but he keeps finding that 1 win to hang around.)
Miller > Funch
Pague > Stone (Pague took this fight on 1 weeks notice I think. His last fight was on June 8th, next fight is on June 22nd.)

I really like Guida and believe he is a strong fighter. Not the biggest fan of Maynard (well no real opinion I guess), but when I read the headline for the fight I got a bad taste in my mouth for Guida. I think he is in danger because even though he has good movement, Guida tends to take some shots, and Maynard is quite strong and capable of accurately landing them.

gonna be off the heezy

on guida vs maynard some more.. they both have wrestling as one of the strengths of their game (although maynard didn't try to use it at all in any of his last 3 fights if I recall..), and maynard has better credentials and a larger body.

plz someone have an argument for guida, what am I missing? why do you pick guida over maynard?

UFC on FX: Maynard vs. Guida weigh-in photos: http://mmajunkie.com/news/29304/ufc-o...os-an-mmajunkie-com-image-gallery.mma




Clay Guida (155) vs. Gray Maynard (155)
Spencer Fisher (156) vs. Sam Stout (155.5)
Brian Ebersole (170) vs. T.J. Waldburger (170.5)
Ross Pearson (146) vs. Cub Swanson (145.5)
Hatsu Hioki (145.5) vs. Ricardo Lamas (145)
C.J. Keith (157)* vs. Ramsey Nijem (156)
Brock Jardine (170.5) vs. Rick Story (169.5)
Joey Gambino (145) vs. Steven Siler (145.5)
Chis Camozzi (185.5) vs. Nick Catone (185.5)
Matt Brown (170.5) vs. Luis Ramos (170)
Ricardo Funch (170.5) vs. Dan Miller (170.5)
Dustin Pague (135) vs. Ken Stone (135.5)

On June 18 2012 09:05 2c0ntent wrote: on guida vs maynard some more.. they both have wrestling as one of the strengths of their game (although maynard didn't try to use it at all in any of his last 3 fights if I recall..), and maynard has better credentials and a larger body. plz someone have an argument for guida, what am I missing? why do you pick guida over maynard?

Well there is an OK arguement that because it's 5 rounds, Guidas insane high pressure pace and cardio will tire gray out and allow guida to barely win the later rounds.

Aside from wrestling, Maynard is the much better striker.

I think Gray is so much better he can pace himself and not exert a ton of energy and still win rounds vs Guida.

I think Gray -310 is about right.

Also apparently Grays camp put in a complaint about Guidas hair, and guida is going to have to braid it

On June 21 2012 20:46 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2012 09:05 2c0ntent wrote: on guida vs maynard some more.. they both have wrestling as one of the strengths of their game (although maynard didn't try to use it at all in any of his last 3 fights if I recall..), and maynard has better credentials and a larger body. plz someone have an argument for guida, what am I missing? why do you pick guida over maynard? Well there is an OK arguement that because it's 5 rounds, Guidas insane high pressure pace and cardio will tire gray out and allow guida to barely win the later rounds. Aside from wrestling, Maynard is the much better striker. I think Gray is so much better he can pace himself and not exert a ton of energy and still win rounds vs Guida. I think Gray -310 is about right.

Missed this post.

Stim basically mentioned it.

- Guida pressures his opponents alot, he tests their cardio because he knows he will have better cardio than them 99% of the time and wont ever gas.
- Guida can take a lot of punishment to the head, as he's never been KO/TKO`ed in his 41 fights.
- This is a 5 round fight, and it's widely known that Maynard's cardio is one of the worst at Lightweight, I actually don't remember anyone else who has cardio issues at Lightweight.
- Guida sucks at boxing and GnP, and always tries this overhand right into a fast take down.
- Maynard may be the better striker, but, he only has 2 KO/TKO's in his 13 pro fights. You would think he had more with all the praise people give him on his power. Guida only has 4 KO/TKO's out of his 41 fights.

On June 21 2012 20:46 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2012 09:05 2c0ntent wrote: on guida vs maynard some more.. they both have wrestling as one of the strengths of their game (although maynard didn't try to use it at all in any of his last 3 fights if I recall..), and maynard has better credentials and a larger body. plz someone have an argument for guida, what am I missing? why do you pick guida over maynard? Well there is an OK arguement that because it's 5 rounds, Guidas insane high pressure pace and cardio will tire gray out and allow guida to barely win the later rounds.

Yeah I was about to say Clay has a lot of heart and cardio like Edgar, and Edgar > Maynard. But it's really not he same.

i hope guida wins tho fk. definitely watching this event

maynard is going to handle guida like a big brother little brother type fight. seriously. guida is so overrated. maynards a much better striker, a MUCH better wrestler, and its not like he gassed that bad vs edgar, he just slowed down. and the slowing down only hurt him cause edgar is such a good striker. not to mention hes working with the marinovichs for this fight.

guida just bounces around doing nothing basically and scrambles well but that wont be a factor cause hes never getting it to the ground. this is going to look like maynard vs miller where gray beats the crap out of him for 5 rounds. might even finish.

thats basically the only fight im confident on. waiting for the line to drop before i bet because a bunch of nuthuggers think guida has a chance here

Starts in 1 hour and 36 minutes: http://www.facebook.com/UFC/app_247211121995467

small bets on lamas, keith, ramos, big play on werdum/maynard parlay.

Werdum is tomorrow.

I'm glad so many injuries have happened lately, especially to tomorrow's UFC 147 card, because this whole weekend I'll be studying for finals, which is all next week.

Nice win for Dan Miller. Round 1 was close, Round 2 I gave to Funch cuz of the take down, Round 3 Miller needed to win decisively imo, which he did.

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Fuel TV stream: http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/57324/1/uf...-prelims-only-live-stream-online.html

ya i know werdum is tomorrow, but the only 2 plays i felt really confident in where werdum/maynard so i parlayed them together.

made a small parlay on the brazilian tuf guys too, but everything i bet other than maynard/werdum was tiny

can't close this fucking box in the middle of the stream like I usually can, whats going on? :<

nvm instantly found the shitty little button after I posted.. bottom left of the box instead of the two fake X's at the top right and left of it.

Gambino let me down. What a fake ass gangster...

didnt pague fight like two weeks ago? did he win?

ah my boy siller was fighting too damn missed it

Yes, Pague won a fight 2 weeks ago. Late replacement for today's fight, which very close.

Hopefully Lamas exposes Hioki. I'm not sold on Hioki yet.

Cub looked great. Pearson has done really well on the feet with some pretty good strikers in Barboza/Siver, yet cub straight worked him.

Yep.

I'm glad Cub won without taking any damage. I saw him hit the floor with his fist during the first punch he swung at Pearson when he jumped on him after he fell to the ground. Cub didn't hold his hand, so hopefully it's okay.

Injuries have held Swanson's career back more than anything.

Wow, Braid " Ali " Guida wins the first round 10-9. Not good for maynard, winning the first 3 rounds was kinda important for him.

I got Guida winning rounds 1 and 2 so far. Round 2 he won more decisively.

braid like that is a handicap whenever maynard gets his hands behind guida's head even if gray doesn't "grab" it


holy shit clay SUCH a fucking animal

gray LOL crazy

clay guida winning A LA carlos condit vs. nick diaz

On June 22 2012 22:13 K40Cheddar wrote: clay guida winning A LA carlos condit vs. nick diaz

except in a 999x more entertaining way

say whatever you want, guida is running so fucking much

run Guida run

yea he definitely focused on running a bit too much in the 5th

The fuck are you guys smoking, that shit was boring as fuck.

Also, nothing like condit vs diaz. Condit hit Diaz a LOT. He used a ton of movement to avoid a slugfest with Diaz, but he had plenty of his own offense. Guida offered very, very little offense. Just mostly ran.

Still though, 50-45 guida probably.

yeah 5th round was just all running

Dana White is complaining about this fight on Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/danawhite

I personally don't mind it, because I already knew how Guida fights, and, he looks improved in his movement and making Maynard miss 90% of his punches. Should Guida stand still and fight face to face?

wat? pretty sure clay still did more damage than gray...

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool


Looooooooooolololololol

Guida deserved that.

wowoowowwowowowowowo really idk about that decision

sure guida did a lot of running but i was sure he had 1,2 for sure and at least either 4 or 5 based on number of hits

Robbery...

Guida landed way more strikes than Maynard. Stupid referees and fans.

all pro sports rigged obv

greg jackson won't like that at all

ha dana hating on guida so much, I can't blame him tho. Fine line btwn game plan and just running

On June 22 2012 22:23 PuertoRican wrote: Robbery... Guida landed way more strikes than Maynard. Stupid referees and fans.

Thats what he gets for that shit performance.

I love guys who use tons of footwork. I'm a huge Cruz fan.

But when all you do is dance and not put in much offense, you deserve to lose on principle.

That was a disgrace, he literally ran 90% of that fight.

Do you punish someone who lands more strikes and runs a lot vs. someone who cant land any strikes and comes forward a lot?

Who cares about how much Guida ran, he landed the better shots and more shots than Maynard, while Maynard could not adapt to the situation, he was getting upset that he couldn't land anything.

It's not Guida's fault that Maynard cant do anything aside from throw bombs and a few fail take downs as his main arsenal.

what would clay guida be like on bath salts?

he's gotta be getting tuned up on caffeine before he goes out there lol

i gave 1st/2nd to guida, 3/4/5 to maynard. as a bettor i thought it was shitty to try and win that lame ass way and was pissed off as fuck. as a fan it was boring as could be. but as someone who bet on condit vs diaz and was happy with that gameplan gotta tip my cap to greg jackson and guida. only way he could win the fight and they nearly did it

http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/3930

very clear 48-47 for maynard. not sure why you guys are crying robbery. guida did nothing 3/4/5

I was going to post the FightMetric stats, but, those aren't always accurate.

You could see for yourself how much both fighters were landing, as well as their faces afterward.
Yes, I'm aware certain people take damage worse than others.

all of that was from the first round. after guida landed the head kick in round 2 (what won him the round) he didnt do a goddamn thing for the next 18 minutes

guida's eye was swollen shut at the presser.

Guida landed another nice kick in round 4 or 5, that's when he "stunned" Maynard, as the commentators said. Guida didn't jump all over Maynard though, I assume he felt confident he was winning and wanted to play it safe.

I'm getting seriously mad at how shit those commentators seemed to be at grappling.
They had no fucking clue about what was happening and when for example Ebersole
was flawlessly blocking Waldburger's triangle attempt by keeping his trapped hand behind
Waldburger's body these geniuses were unanimous on that this was "a pretty tight triangle".


It's shit like this that makes you appreciate the hell out of their having Rogan.

On June 23 2012 03:24 taco wrote: I'm getting seriously mad at how shit those commentators seemed to be at grappling. They had no fucking clue about what was happening and when for example Ebersole was flawlessly blocking Waldburger's triangle attempt by keeping his trapped hand behind Waldburger's body these geniuses were unanimous on that this was "a pretty tight triangle". It's shit like this that makes you appreciate the hell out of their having Rogan.

One of the commentators just happened to have fought in the UFC for 10 years in 4 weight divisions and had multiple title shots. Clearly he has "no fucking clue about what was happening".

On June 23 2012 03:37 K40Cheddar wrote: Show nested quote + On June 23 2012 03:24 taco wrote: I'm getting seriously mad at how shit those commentators seemed to be at grappling. They had no fucking clue about what was happening and when for example Ebersole was flawlessly blocking Waldburger's triangle attempt by keeping his trapped hand behind Waldburger's body these geniuses were unanimous on that this was "a pretty tight triangle". It's shit like this that makes you appreciate the hell out of their having Rogan. - One of the commentators just happened to have fought in the UFC for 10 years in 4 weight divisions and had multiple title shots. Clearly he has "no fucking clue about what was happening".

It also just so happens that for some reason he had absolutely no fucking clue about what was happening, either from lack of skill in operating the viewing screens (+ a very poor angle on the action),
not paying careful enough attention to the positioning or simply knowing fuck-all about submissions/submission defense.

If you think his having MMA experience makes him any better a commentator or this description excusable you are mistaken.



That is the moment he described as him having a tight triangle.

A) His posture is broken, he's been stacked and he's not even trying to recover posture (Because he knows he doesn't have a finishable triangle choke, he's just resting)
B) The trapped arm is hidden so far to the side there is no way he could ever physically recover it to place it on the other side and finish the choke, at which point (this point) this is a failed triangle choke attempt not a triangle choke, and much less a tight one.
C) His leg positioning is such that he can't switch to the other side without releasing him completely and he can't armbar any better than he could from open guard and he is at an angle that doesn't allow him to omoplata roll.

But yeah he has the trump card "I haz expirinse" and that makes his description totally accurate.

On June 23 2012 08:37 taco wrote: or simply knowing fuck-all about submissions/submission defense.

I haven't watched the event but I assume this is Kenny you're talking about. Either way making this statement makes you sound like a retard regardless of how accurate/inaccurate his description of the situation was.

If it was Anik then I'm sure nobody gives a shit.

kenny has a black belt in bjj. he knows what hes talking about.

pretty sure they had a bad angle on viewing it and he got excited. nothing to get worked up about.

On June 23 2012 09:44 Funktion wrote: Show nested quote + On June 23 2012 08:37 taco wrote: or simply knowing fuck-all about submissions/submission defense. Either way making this statement makes you sound like a retard regardless of how accurate/inaccurate his description of the situation was.

Yeah doesn't really matter if the quoted part is part of a sentence to a highly intelligent non-retard like yourself.
Here are the reasons stated if the truth/being honest matter to you, you might want to revise that comment of yours:

Either from
A) lack of skill in operating the viewing screens (+ a very poor angle on the action),
B) not paying careful enough attention to the positioning
C) simply knowing fuck-all about submissions/submission defense.

Don't act like I said "Because C)" it's ridiculous.

Kenny and Jon Anik are known for being bad commentators.

Some guys just aren't good at commentating. KenFlo is handsome, speaks well, and has a long lasting good image in the UFC, he just needs to work on his commentating skills a bit more. Jon Anik was hired after UFC and FOX got together, cuz Rogan/Goldie couldn't cover all the events themselves.

I usually don't listen to KenFlo/Anik's commentary, but I know it's not the best.

If the UFC didn't show any love to their fighters and hire within the company ranks, we'd have some better commentators. As you can see, all these new FOX/Fuel TV/FX shows all have former/current UFC fighters as the hosts.

I do think Rashad Evans is doing a decent job on Fuel TV, he's just as good as those former football players that do commentary on FOX/CBS/NBC football channels.

don't recall his name, but the fighter commentating opposite rashad was prettyyyyyy bad as a commentator ("I.." "...I ..." "..I ...." )

I think the time Brock was commentating on the mma side talk thing had to be the worst ever, all he did was promote himself, was awful

there are very few guys whose commentary i like.

randy couture is ok. frank mir is good but has heavy bias. rashad is really good but cannot commentate on guys he trains with or has personal grudges against because he gets emotional. jimmy smith from bellator is surprisingly good nowadays. pat miletich is probably the best at the moment, but hes surrounded by retards. rogan/kenny are meh, not great.

mma commentary will take years to reach the level of having someone like john mcenroe in tennis or marv albert/stan van gundy in basketball. for goldies job it will take a huge mma fan as a kid to go through school for broadcast journalism and get the right jobs and get lucky along the way. for an analyst it will take the best fighter who can do the job. guys like benavidez, gilbert melendez, dominic cruz or phil davis would probably make great commentators.

Just wow... should be minus infinity points right there.

On June 23 2012 12:19 taco wrote: Yeah doesn't really matter if the quoted part is part of a sentence to a highly intelligent non-retard like yourself. Here are the reasons stated if the truth/being honest matter to you, you might want to revise that comment of yours: Either from A) lack of skill in operating the viewing screens (+ a very poor angle on the action), B) not paying careful enough attention to the positioning C) simply knowing fuck-all about submissions/submission defense. Don't act like I said "Because C)" it's ridiculous.

I didn't misquote you or take it out of context, don't pretend I've taken some creative liberty with your quote. You imply Kenny Florian a guy with multiple subs over top competition in the top MMA organisation in the world who has a black belt in BJJ doesn't know about subs or sub defense.

On June 23 2012 12:15 Daut wrote: kenny has a black belt in bjj. he knows what hes talking about. pretty sure they had a bad angle on viewing it and he got excited. nothing to get worked up about.

Pretty much sums it up for you.

You're probably correct on the call but you shouldn't question his credentials, it's laughable.

On June 23 2012 13:21 Daut wrote: there are very few guys whose commentary i like. randy couture is ok. frank mir is good but has heavy bias. rashad is really good but cannot commentate on guys he trains with or has personal grudges against because he gets emotional. jimmy smith from bellator is surprisingly good nowadays. pat miletich is probably the best at the moment, but hes surrounded by retards. rogan/kenny are meh, not great. mma commentary will take years to reach the level of having someone like john mcenroe in tennis or marv albert/stan van gundy in basketball. for goldies job it will take a huge mma fan as a kid to go through school for broadcast journalism and get the right jobs and get lucky along the way. for an analyst it will take the best fighter who can do the job. guys like benavidez, gilbert melendez, dominic cruz or phil davis would probably make great commentators.

To this day the best mma commentator hands down is the guy who does strikeforce. he's the older guy with glasses and keeps commentating without taking a breath (someone come in here and tell me his name for clarification). I love dominic cruz as a fighter as well I think he's the future of the league specifically just relating to the flare he brings to every fight

On June 23 2012 22:46 RaiNKhAN wrote: To this day the best mma commentator hands down is the guy who does strikeforce. he's the older guy with glasses and keeps commentating without taking a breath (someone come in here and tell me his name for clarification). I love dominic cruz as a fighter as well I think he's the future of the league specifically just relating to the flare he brings to every fight

Nice troll.

Militech deserves a medal for putting up with Mauro (Ranallo who I guess Khan is talking about) and Frank.

Commentating skills are purely based on keeping the casual fan (me) entertained enough to keep watching without changing the channel. That guy is action

On June 23 2012 20:24 Funktion wrote: I didn't misquote you or take it out of context, don't pretend I've taken some creative liberty with your quote. You imply Kenny Florian a guy with multiple subs over top competition in the top MMA organisation in the world who has a black belt in BJJ doesn't know about subs or sub defense.

Yes you fucking did, I gave multiple reasons for why someone would say that and excluded the motive "Outright lying".

You're a native speaker so you have no language related excuse to outright lie like you just did.

What I said:
It also just so happens that for some reason he had absolutely no fucking clue about what was happening, either from lack of skill in operating the viewing screens (+ a very poor angle on the action),
not paying careful enough attention to the positioning OR simply knowing fuck-all about submissions/submission defense.

Underlined are the three possible reasons for making that false statement excluding outright lying. Stop lying.
It could not be any clearer from this quote that you took what was behind the OR out of context.

On June 23 2012 20:24 Funktion wrote: You're probably correct on the call but you shouldn't question his credentials, it's laughable.

WHEN DID I QUESTION KENNY FLORIAN'S BJJ CREDENTIALS? QUOTE ME DIRECTLY IN CONTEXT.

On June 23 2012 20:24 Funktion wrote: Pretty much sums it up for you.

Sums it up but doesn't change a thing about what I said: He's still just as shit as commentating on grappling,
not being able to be aware of what is actually happening makes you a pretty shit commentator no matter how good your commentating is.

lol you're a fucking retard.

User was temp-banned for this post.

On June 24 2012 12:03 Funktion wrote: lol you're a fucking retard.

At least I don't distribute pedophilia....

On June 24 2012 13:41 K40Cheddar wrote:

No... he does not eat popcorn; Funktion manufactures and distributes pedophilia.

Funktion is a pedophile and a child rapist, and if he doesn't like me lying about what he has said I'll just reply 'lol you're a fucking retard'.

This is acceptable behavior in Funktion's world.

gave both of them a 1 day ban for arguing over stupid shit nonstop.

WHERE IS THE SONNEN VS SILVA THREAD????
SHIT JUST GOT REAL

we neeeeeeeed you to create the sonnen vs silva thread puertorican!