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NewbSaibot   United States. Jun 09 2012 10:45. Posts 3596

This is a topic I frequently revisit as I need constant reassurance as to optimal strategy in your typical loose homegames. From what I understand, in poker you might as well raise for value as large as anybody is willing to call you. If you can raise $100 in a 1/2 game and expect a call, then this is the proper raise to make. The only difficulty I've been having lately is how this effects stack-pot-ratio, and if I should strongly consider buying in deeper. I always buy in for 100BB's because thats all I'm comfortable with, and all I'm trained for. Granted I usually end up playing with more than this after winning a few pots, but making 10BB raises with a 100BB stack always seems difficult to manage. I always find myself wanting to dip back down the 4-5BB's just to keep the pots manageable and play like what I'm used to playing.

After consistently raising only 5BB's last night I jokingly made it 10BB's one hand in response to another player I have history with. 6 people called. I didnt think they would actually call this, at least not the first time I did it. Regardless, it got me thinking again "damn, I've been missing some serious value this whole game". Of course I also reminded myself how if the pot is $120 on the flop, how do I cbet? It just feels criminal to c/f after every preflop raise. Thats also part of the reason I like making it 5BB's, because I can take stabs at the pot with limited success.

So lets just settle this debate once and for all -

1. Should I raise 10, 20, 50BB's wherever possible?
2. Should I also bite the bullet and buy in deeper so these raises dont represent such a large % of my stack?
3. Can you even raise 10BB's effectively playing a 100BB stack?
4. Should I ever be jamming with hands like AK high in lieu of cbetting? Or is it just c/f all the way until I hit?
5. Lastly, if I'm going to make it 10BB's preflop everytime, should it remain a static 10BB's regardless of how many limpers there are? Or should I actually make it 10BB+1 or something.

listening to edzwoo has made u a nit... *sigh* - Zalfor 

SoC   United Kingdom. Jun 09 2012 11:01. Posts 878

I think altering your preflop hand selection from positions is more important to adapt than X bb raises. Sounds like you need to tighten up and valuetown the passive fish rather than try be aggro. Live people don't fold.


waga   Malta. Jun 09 2012 12:59. Posts 1957

1)yes
2)yes
3)yes
4)depends how many players see the flop.
5)if your standard is 10bb then 10+1 or even 10+2


Highcard   Canada. Jun 09 2012 13:56. Posts 4518

If you are having trouble with the concept of turning the game from a 100bb to basically a 50bb game, maybe even lower depending on some of the fish stacks, then you should really look into SS theory and understand those dynamics.

Now, to be entirely honest, varying up your bet sizes will not really effect very much in the games you describe. They aren't going to ever think just because you raised Preflop small this time, that they can increase their aggression/bluffing/value ranges based on certain flops. In the end they will randomly spazz from completely different reasons, mostly tilt/retardation

I have learned from poker that being at the table is not a grind, the grind is living and poker is how I pass the time 

YoMeR   United States. Jun 09 2012 14:01. Posts 11484

dood just think of creative ways to rape fish...

and it mainly constitutes betting hilariously large sums pre/flop then jamming turn "lol"

you don't "have" to play it like online where everyone has a general understanding of pot odds, position, hand ranges, hand strength etc etc....worlds apart from your standard live noob.

eZ Life. 

goose58   United States. Jun 09 2012 15:17. Posts 463

If your opponents are weaker than you, you want to be as deep as the limits and your bankroll will safely allow.

As for over-betting, just bet your really good hands huge until people adjust.


 




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