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jvilla777   Australia. Jun 07 2012 06:26. Posts 696

Submitted by : jvilla777

PokerStars Hand #81606616695: Holdem No Limit ($0.08/$0.16 USD) - 2012/06/07 16:13:04 AEST [2012/06/07 2:13:04 ET]
Table Magnya III 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: alex5596 ($6.74 in chips)
Seat 2: noob_da ($16 in chips)
Seat 3: KFC2008 ($16.76 in chips)
Seat 4: Wh1te L1es ($16 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($24.49 in chips)
Seat 6: PlayerX545 ($10.03 in chips)
KFC2008: posts small blind $0.08
Wh1te L1es: posts big blind $0.16

Holecards
Dealt to Hero TsAs
Hero: raises $0.32 to $0.48
PlayerX545: folds
alex5596: folds
noob_da: calls $0.48
KFC2008: folds
Wh1te L1es: folds

Flop (Pot : $1.20)

   Td8c8d
Hero: bets $0.64
noob_da: raises $1.06 to $1.70
Hero: ?




Villain is 12/5/4.3 Also he just lost a pot in the previous hand shown below, which looked like he was donk betting to protect his top pair so given the dynamics what is our best move here?



Submitted by : jvilla777

PokerStars Hand #81606508485: Holdem No Limit ($0.08/$0.16 USD) - 2012/06/07 16:06:20 AEST [2012/06/07 2:06:20 ET]
Table Magnya III 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Aliroligua ($47.84 in chips)
Seat 2: noob_da ($17.95 in chips)
Seat 3: KFC2008 ($17.56 in chips)
Seat 4: Wh1te L1es ($16 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($17.78 in chips)
Seat 6: PlayerX545 ($9.76 in chips)
noob_da: posts small blind $0.08
KFC2008: posts big blind $0.16

Holecards
Dealt to Hero QhKh
Wh1te L1es: folds
Hero: raises $0.32 to $0.48
PlayerX545: calls $0.48
Aliroligua: folds
noob_da: calls $0.40
KFC2008: folds

Flop (Pot : $1.60)

   5hKc6h
noob_da: bets $1.28
Hero: calls $1.28
PlayerX545: calls $1.28

Turn (Pot : $5.44)

   5hKc6h6d
noob_da: bets $4
Hero: calls $4
PlayerX545: folds

River (Pot : $13.44)

   5hKc6h6d2h
noob_da: checks
Hero: bets $5.60
noob_da: folds
Uncalled bet ($5.60) returned to Hero
Hero collected $12.84 from pot

Summary
Total pot $13.44 | Rake $0.60
Board  5hKc6h6d2h
Seat 1: Aliroligua (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: noob_da (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 3: KFC2008 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Wh1te L1es folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: Hero collected ($12.84)
Seat 6: PlayerX545 folded on the Turn







superfashion   United States. Jun 07 2012 08:18. Posts 918

probably getting both in on flop if at all possible

shoving here as a bluff at 50NL is like explaning calcalus to a 6 month old cat wtf are you thinking - TalentedTom 

mnj   United States. Jun 07 2012 17:46. Posts 2826

1) this hand is tricky, folding is probably the easiest/most + ev move at this limit

2) raising flop is good, can potentially get it in with straight flush draws as well as nut flush draws which is goot. if behind your pretty fine as well


barbieman   Sweden. Jun 07 2012 21:43. Posts 2108

1) What's his 3bet% and flat% from that pos? I'm guessing this player will have some overpairs in his range a good amount here & nfds. Don't know if he calls 89s, 87s pre.
He could be raising hands like QJs, overs, backdoors etc. Being oop without any reads I'm just gonna fold here.

But I will assume that a player with those stats won't be very bluffy.

2) Def raising flop

 Last edit: 07/06/2012 21:46

joLin   United States. Jun 08 2012 00:06. Posts 3815

hand 2 i'm calling down. your hand isnt vulnerable and you want to give him a chance to bluff or whatever. im calling down with the intention of betting when checked to.

YoUr_KiLLeR @ TL 

asdf2000   United States. Jun 08 2012 02:34. Posts 7292

hand 1 is tough and is very player dependent. is he good enough to be flatting with like QT,JT, 9T ? if so, easy pitch

Grindin so hard, Im smashin pussies left and right. 

Stroggoz   New Zealand. Jun 08 2012 07:42. Posts 2631

hand 1 is easy flat vs that raise. he near minraises flop, which usually = a lolrange of tens, random pps, 8's, draws.

hand 2 is interesting, you could get it on flop, you could call down. i think your line is fine. It's hard to see what he donk leads twice with then check calls that river with. I don't hate your river sizing.

i drink ur milkshake 

jvilla777   Australia. Jun 08 2012 19:33. Posts 696

hand 1.

Once we decide to flat a villains raise, do call down all streets given the turn n river non diamonds or non broadway cards?

hand 2.

Same villain is involved, this is the hand that happened before hand 1, not quite sure if he raised is pos during hand 1 because of tilting. Also in this hand 2 there is another villain to act after us on flop probably giving us more implied odds by just calling flop and not raising. As played though on the river I decide to bet small to get a call from a Kx hand and to induce raise from villain.


TimDawg    United States. Jun 10 2012 11:06. Posts 8735

Hand 1) I might fold flop if he's that nitty but I wouldn't fault you for calling once and seeing a turn

Hand 2) you absolutely must raise the flop and plan on getting it in. These oop leads are usually done with a pretty weak range and QK is crushing that range most of the time, not to mention you have the 2nd NFD. I'd prob still raise turn to something that makes it easy to shove the river with. I don't mind your river bet but I think you should bet bigger

online bob is actually a pretty smart person, not at all like the creepy fucker that sits in the sofa telling me he does nasty shit to me when im asleep - pinball 

 




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