NL400 river spot

Submitted by : ManYac

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 *****
$400.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, May 17, 09:49:30 ET 2012
Table Real Money
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 $465.80 USD - VPIP: 32, PFR: 23, 3B: 8, AF: 1.9, Hands: 1197
Seat 2: Player2 $356.64 USD - VPIP: 28, PFR: 22, 3B: 7, AF: 3.5, Hands: 2066
Seat 3: Player3 $491.56 USD - VPIP: 26, PFR: 20, 3B: 8, AF: 3.1, Hands: 5037
Seat 4: Player4 $449.00 USD - VPIP: 26, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 4.3, Hands: 795
Seat 5: Hero $571.06 USD - VPIP: 29, PFR: 23, 3B: 9, AF: 3.9, Hands: 66498
Seat 6: Player6 $405.28 USD - VPIP: 31, PFR: 27, 3B: 13, AF: 0.0, Hands: 26
Hero posts small blind [$2.00 USD].
Player6 posts big blind [$4.00 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [ ]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 raises [$12.00 USD]
Hero calls [$10.00 USD]
Player6 folds

Flop (Pot : $28.00)

   
Hero checks
Player4 bets [$16.00 USD]
Hero raises [$46.00 USD]
Player4 calls [$30.00 USD]

Turn (Pot : $120.00)

   
Hero bets [$85.00 USD]
Player4 calls [$85.00 USD]

River (Pot : $290.00)

   
Hero checks
Player4 bets [$306.00 USD]

think its c/c or c/f, closer to c/c

he is overbet jamming river which would mean he doesnt want a call. but maybe he knows you know that and is doing it to induce a call. Wouldnt he want to bet smaller if he had a strong hand to get you to call? This is a real bad spot to shove because so many draws missed so why is he shoving? Maybe he is that bad and is doing it anyway? Or does he really have it? This is a real good move if he has AcQc, Qc6c, sets.

Im looking this guy up tho cuz it feels like hes trying to punk me and im no punk bitch.

I call, sucks if he shows up w/ AcQc because that is the only value hand he takes this line with logically

Id fold/3bet pre flop, its not even close vs 34% steal
on the river, well there is not many draws that has nothing at all to have to bluff. I would fold

I dont understand how you want to c/f here when the Q is pretty much a brick only improving Q8 against you. I mean you are vbetting the turn I assume and the river didnt change anything so you want to c/f? I would shove with any bit of aggressive history and without it just check and bluffcatch. We are losing to like AcJQKx(dont think he floats without the Ac maybe Kc) I think he fastplays sets and straights on the flop except mb Tc9c, maybe some 2pairs he didnt want to get in on the flop, turned 2p with A678, Q8, which are quite a few hands tbh but I think then the problem is on an earlier street because the river didnt really change anything.

can't fold with the way you played it

i hate preflop and the flop c/r

dammit Tim thats pretty much what I wanted to say but with 1/100th of the text :/

Yeah that was my thoughts during the hands. Plan was to x and bluff catch river and I made pretty quick call but want to be sure about my logic on the river. He showed Tc9c.

Also was going to say hate the way you played the hand. This is a very wet board snd most players arent c betting this board. You have two red cards and the board is all black jeebus. Hes more likely to hit this board more than you and your trying to outpkay him out of position

i don't hate this like everybody else seems to. c/r the flop is meh, not ideal, but it may be immediately profitable with fold equity. turn is great, and the fact that he doesnt reraise turn likely reduces a lot of his strong hand combos since many regs (in my experience) will raise/shove to avoid all the scary rivers on the turn with a set, 2 pair, etc. 10c9c or 10s9s are the exceptions. he can still have sets, but i'd have to remove at least 1/2 of combos without any further info.

once you get to the river, it's about the opponent, but it'd be really tempting to ship or at least bet some amount on this river if i'm villian with a missed draw. a lot of people are just waving the white flag when checking this river with pot sized bet remaining.

3b pre.
c/f flop. as played probably call, but this is why you don't want to put yourself in spots like this.

I'll add for usefulness' sake that you should think about your donking range here, not just play c/c c/r. If you flat opens semiwide or just dont look like a huge nit, this board hits your range decently.

On May 18 2012 07:18 rS.Wisdom[9] wrote: i don't hate this like everybody else seems to. c/r the flop is meh, not ideal, but it may be immediately profitable with fold equity. turn is great, and the fact that he doesnt reraise turn likely reduces a lot of his strong hand combos since many regs (in my experience) will raise/shove to avoid all the scary rivers on the turn with a set, 2 pair, etc.

Where do you find such weak games that guys are actually doing this? I wanna play!

Also, preflop is leaking money I think. I def don't make that call unless I'm tilted.