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Zetsnotdead   Poland. May 16 2012 22:37. Posts 1327

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***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** Poker Stars
$10.00 USD PL Omaha - Wednesday, May 16, 05:20:09 ET 2012
Table Morosovia V Real Money
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 $8.99 USD - VPIP: 75, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: 1.7, Hands: 8
Seat 2: Player2 $30.93 USD - VPIP: 18, PFR: 11, 3B: 14, AF: 3.0, Hands: 28
Seat 3: Player3 $26.58 USD - VPIP: 50, PFR: 50, 3B: 75, AF: 0.0, Hands: 8
Seat 4: Player4 $25.00 USD - VPIP: 23, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 30
Seat 5: Hero $33.78 USD - VPIP: 31, PFR: 24, 3B: 9, AF: 3.8, Hands: 759
Seat 6: Player6 $31.61 USD - VPIP: 50, PFR: 28, 3B: 22, AF: 1.3, Hands: 18
Hero posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Player6 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
Player1 posts ante of [$0.02 USD].
Player2 posts ante of [$0.02 USD].
Player3 posts ante of [$0.02 USD].
Player4 posts ante of [$0.02 USD].
Hero posts ante of [$0.02 USD].
Player6 posts ante of [$0.02 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [Td8d7s6h ]
Player1 calls [$0.10 USD]
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 raises [$0.30 USD]
Hero raises [$1.17 USD]
Player6 folds
Player1 folds
Player4 calls [$0.92 USD]

Flop (Pot : $2.59)

   Js8h5c
Hero checks
Player4 checks

Turn (Pot : $2.59)

   Js8h5c9c
Hero bets [$2.64 USD]
Player4 raises [$10.16 USD]



I was cfing the flop. Is that a correct play? I figured that 4 is the only clean out I got. If I cc cards that improve me to two pair complete possible straights.

Finally, what do you do on the turn after you get raised? I guess the real question is, is he valueraising worse or semi bluffraising enough on the turn for me to call or should I just fold right there. I didn't have any relevant notes that could help me in determining that.

What do you think about shipping the flushing river as a bluff with halfpot left? I personally think it's bad. How would you have liked it on a board pairing river? I think that I'd have liked it more then. He's gonna bet most of full house making hands on the flop so I'm pretty safe shoving the river knowing that he couldn't have rivered the nuts. Assuming, it's a hand played against a reg you play against everyday. Do you think I rep houses well enough for halfpot to do the job or do I need deeper stacks? Does it become better (profitable) if I can potdonk instead?

From my limited PLO experience, it seems that people respect board pairing cards. Not sure if enough or close to enough for that matter.

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MiPwnYa    Brasil. May 16 2012 23:44. Posts 5230

id cc flop, we dont really care if we dont make the nuts with our outs or if our 2pr potentially make str8s for villain, its not like theyre gonna go crazy and barrel us off our hand all the time. Also we should have nutstr8 draws in our c/c range too so once we're balanced we're pretty hard to bluff and we get to show down our weaker hands.
As played I'd muck turn unless I have a specific read, everytime I try to convince myself they have some sort of draw they always show QTxx and im drawin dead -.-


TimDawg    United States. May 17 2012 16:28. Posts 10197

yeah we only really beat like 67xx which we already have blockers to, so i'd expect to see QTxx a huge % of the time here

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InsideMan   United Kingdom. May 20 2012 12:27. Posts 159

C/f on the flop is definetly not correct. I'd cbet the flop. I also think checking and calling can be profitable, as MiPwnYa suggested. You are correct in thinking that our outs aren't very clean, but it doesn't apply very well to this situation as we have initiative and foldequity. We are also HU and facing a late position isolation range, so the chance of our outs being dominated is smaller.
On the turn I would fold vs a jam with such a high SPR. If he is jamming a draw on the turn, it will be a very big draw, so your combined equity against his range won't justify continuing in the hand. He may also never play a draw like this so deep.

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