Turn spot (general question)

Submitted by : sweetbread

***** Hand History for Game 11741121366 ***** Party
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, May 13, 04:55:12 ET 2012
Table Table 201270 No DP Real Money
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 5: Durrr_IzNutz $116.16 USD
Seat 2: Takigava $52.87 USD
Seat 3: alexut5050 $69.10 USD
Seat 1: cmpaxXIII $71.46 USD
Seat 6: Hero $61.31 USD
Seat 4: whate_sea $61.37 USD
alexut5050 posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
whate_sea posts big blind [$0.50 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [ ]
Durrr_IzNutz folds
Hero raises [$1.50 USD]
Takigava calls [$1.50 USD]
alexut5050 folds
whate_sea folds

Flop (Pot : $3.75)

   
Hero bets [$2.85 USD]
Takigava calls [$2.85 USD]

Turn (Pot : $9.45)

   
Hero bets [$7.40 USD]
Takigava raises [$19.50 USD]

call the turn raise, and evaluate riva. i would not ship over it because i can't see many worse hands that would raise-callshove here, as he still has more than 50bb left after raising turn.

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lol@him having air here. floating flop and raising turn here with nothing is just suicidal because he is just praying you have nothing. he can be semi bluffing with some outs or trying to value raise a K either way shoving is the best option. him folding after raising with either of those hands is also lighting money on fire.

On May 14 2012 03:57 JohnnyBologna wrote: lol@him having air here. floating flop and raising turn here with nothing is just suicidal because he is just praying you have nothing. he can be semi bluffing with some outs or trying to value raise a K either way shoving is the best option. him folding after raising with either of those hands is also lighting money on fire.

i think we have nothing a lot here (and he should expect to see a lot of fold equity with his line), thats a really good 2 barrel card + this is the type of board texture thats really good for a bluff 3 barrel. That being said, I agree with your assessment

Submitted by : sweetbread

***** Hand History for Game 11741121366 ***** Party
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, May 13, 04:55:12 ET 2012
Table Table 201270 No DP Real Money
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 5: Durrr_IzNutz $116.16 USD
Seat 2: Takigava $52.87 USD
Seat 3: alexut5050 $69.10 USD
Seat 1: cmpaxXIII $71.46 USD
Seat 6: Hero $61.31 USD
Seat 4: whate_sea $61.37 USD
alexut5050 posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
whate_sea posts big blind [$0.50 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [ ]
Durrr_IzNutz folds
Hero raises [$1.50 USD]
Takigava calls [$1.50 USD]
alexut5050 folds
whate_sea folds

Flop (Pot : $3.75)

   
Hero bets [$2.85 USD]
Takigava calls [$2.85 USD]

Turn (Pot : $9.45)

   
Hero bets [$7.40 USD]
Takigava raises [$19.50 USD]
Hero calls [$12.10 USD]

River (Pot : $48.45)

   
Hero checks
Takigava checks
Hero shows
Takigava doesn't show
Hero wins $46.03 USD from main pot

I like his line a lot, he should shove river though (I THINK) cause after calling ur range is capped to AA or lower.

I think calling is absolutely the best play because he has way more weak draws that cant call a turn bet than value hands he is trying to get in and that we beat, especially since its BU vs CO I assume he is more likely to 3b AK and Kx type hands pre. Shipping because you dont want to face a potentially tough river spot is not good reasoning.

Edit: Also as for strong draws he is raise getting it in with there really are none that wouldnt rather do it on the flop, the turn didnt really bring anything to make draws stronger.

do you think he should have shoved the river ?

On May 15 2012 17:43 eestwood wrote: do you think he should have shoved the river ?

I doubt it, I don't we are calling and than c/f here very often because he has so many missed draws and we have so many top-pair type hands that we are catching with

On May 15 2012 17:43 eestwood wrote: do you think he should have shoved the river ?

Absolutely not, river is a complete brick and the only better hand he could try to get to fold is 7dXd, even if he didnt pair up I still dont think its a good spot to bluff. I think the supposed value of his play comes from making you fold the turn in a vacuum regardless of river play but once you call your range becomes too strong.

On May 14 2012 18:15 GoTuNk wrote: I like his line a lot, he should shove river though (I THINK) cause after calling ur range is capped to AA or lower.

our range is defined as a bluffcatcher, and 100% of draws missed... so good luck with that

Thx everyone, guess I suck

I don't like the whole idea of "this card is a great barrel card'. I mean, what isn't a good barrel card? "Oh, it's a brick on turn. I'm going to barrel, because the villain knows that this is a brick and if he'd have to respect my two barrel range on this turn". It's all relative to the table dynamics and villain anyway.

I guess as a villain, unless his turn play is really beast.. it's probably nuts or air. And like.. once you call the turn, and river bricks, you have a lot of money in there and that you have a (strong) bluffcatcher. His range also becomes even more nuts or air on river when jammed.

That being said, if a tricky player sits to my left, I will prob fold turn a lot here, unless I'm inducing him to spazz like this. For lesser variance I may even just check here so he can stab with all his air and try to reach showdown. Lot of options...