NSA Spy Center - Page 2

On May 10 2012 17:55 Highcard wrote: Show nested quote + On May 10 2012 06:15 austrian oak wrote: They can look at my porn np until 1 day when the pirated porn you watch is deemed illegal to view... USA content, or the very content is illegal in itself. The USA either extradites you/gives your government the information and you go to jail either in your own country or are extradited to the USA.

Yes cause the USA has world domination .. wat? Noone will ever let this happen. In the disturbing scenario you described there would be only one world power that could pretty much push on anyone, anywhere in the planet .. . If that happens our cyber security will be the last thing thats bothersome. You cant state something like that so simply when there are so many factors that will come into play and noone in this forum would have enough information to make a good guess on what would happen

Id say go on USA invest in something so ridiculous I bet tax payers will be very glad about it

On May 11 2012 15:07 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On May 10 2012 17:55 Highcard wrote:   On May 10 2012 06:15 austrian oak wrote: They can look at my porn np until 1 day when the pirated porn you watch is deemed illegal to view... USA content, or the very content is illegal in itself. The USA either extradites you/gives your government the information and you go to jail either in your own country or are extradited to the USA. Yes cause the USA has world domination .. wat? Noone will ever let this happen. In the disturbing scenario you described there would be only one world power that could pretty much push on anyone, anywhere in the planet .. . If that happens our cyber security will be the last thing thats bothersome. You cant state something like that so simply when there are so many factors that will come into play and noone in this forum would have enough information to make a good guess on what would happen Id say go on USA invest in something so ridiculous I bet tax payers will be very glad about it

Oh yes this never happens, oh wait... it happens every fucking time, just recently megaupload founder.

yes because one person pirating a movie is directly comparable to the person in charge of one of the largest copyright infringing web site network on the planet who the MPAA and RIAA had been bitching at the US gov't to take down for multiple years

i'm against the megaupload takedown, but using that as an example to counter spitfiree is moronic

A US Appeals Court said the NSA can keep any arrangement it has with google a secret in response to a Freedom of Information Act request from a public interest group

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/us-spy-agency-keep-mum-google-ties-court-195145311.html

Interview bullets points from this week. Full video at bottom
Apparently in the USA this is being censored or blacked out - unknown source

Here are some of the other interesting points he made in the interview:
"There have been thousands of violations of the National Security Agency and other agencies and authorities every single year."

Every time you pick up the phone, dial a number, write an email, make a purchase, travel on the bus carrying a cell phone, swipe a card somewhere, you leave a trace and the government has decided that it’s a good idea to collect it all, everything, even if you’ve never been suspected of any crime. Traditionally the government would identify a suspect, they would go to a judge, they would say we suspect he’s committed this crime, they would get a warrant and then they would be able to use the totality of their powers in pursuit of the investigation. Nowadays what we see is they want to apply the totality of their powers in advance - prior to an investigation.

"When you are on the inside and you go into work everyday and you sit down at the desk and you realise the power you have - you can wire tap the President of the United States, you can wire tap a Federal Judge and if you do it carefully no one will ever know"
"But what (the review boards investigating the illegal NSA programs) found was that these programs have no value, they’ve never stopped a terrorist attack in the United States and they have marginal utility at best for other things...The National Security agency operates under the President’s executive authority alone. He can end of modify or direct a change of their policies at any time."

I can track your username on a website on a form somewhere, I can track your real name, I can track associations with your friends and I can build what’s called a fingerprint which is network activity unique to you which means anywhere you go in the world anywhere you try to sort of hide your online presence hide your identity, the NSA can find you

However, it’s no secret that every country in the world has the data of their citizens in the NSA. Millions and millions and millions of data connections from Germans going about their daily lives, talking on their cell phones, sending SMS messages, visiting websites, buying things online, all of this ends up at the NSA and it’s reasonable to suspect that the BND may be aware of it in some capacity.

So realistically what’s happening is when they say there’s no spying on Germans, they don’t mean that German data isn’t being gathered, they don’t mean that records aren’t being taken or stolen, what they mean is that they’re not intentionally searching for German citizens. And that’s sort of a fingers crossed behind the back promise, it’s not reliable.

The problem there is you end up in a situation where government policies are being influenced by private corporations who have interests that are completely divorced from the public good in mind. The result of that is what we saw at Booze Allen Hamilton where you have private individuals who have access to what the government alleges were millions and millions of records that they could walk out the door with at any time with no accountability, no oversight, no auditing, the government didn’t even know they were gone.

If I am a traitor who did I betray? I gave all of my information to the American public, to American journalists who are reporting on American issues. If they see that as treason I think people really need to consider who do they think they’re working for. The public is supposed to be their boss not their enemy.

What he doesn’t say is that the crimes that he has charged me with are crimes that don’t allow me to make my case. They don’t allow me to defend myself in an open court to the public and convince a jury that what I did was to their benefit. The espionage act was never intended, it’s from 1918, it was never intended to prosecute journalistic sources, people who are informing the newspapers about information that’s of public interest. It was intended for people who are selling documents in secret to foreign governments who are bombing bridges who are sabotaging communications not people who are serving the public good. So it’s I would say illustrative that the president would choose to say someone should face the music when he knows the music is a show trial.

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/com...edward_snowden_interview_reveals_nsa/

German TV Station NDR

What's so sick about all of this is the way they interrupt language. They find the most minute words of ambiguity and run rampant.


Examaple would be, the US thinks this is legal because of a precedent in 1979

In the high court’s 1979 Smith v. Maryland ruling, the justices said Americans don’t have a Fourth Amendment privacy right to the phone numbers they call. But that was for ONE amercan for ONE phone call. We then in turntook taht ruling to make it justified to collect ALL data on ALL citizens EVERYWHERE

Considering this was made in 1979 before EMAIL/FAceBook/CELLPHONES

That law is A) Outdated, B) Not Intended for the way it's used now

Then we hear over and over again how everything the NSA is doing is a lawful.

Well yah its lawful if you interrupt the law not how it was intended and call it lawful. It's not, you're just in power. It won't hold. We know the truth. Thank you Edward Snowden for the docs.

btw the spying is not the significance of the story

the significance of the story this entire thing is such a clear violation of American citizen's rights, anyone who defends it has sold out to the secret government, specifically media/politicans.

If you look in the last 6 months and see who defended the NSA, they are the biggest sell outs
And visa versa, the people who aggressively went after the NSA, are the people fighting for the constitutional rights of Americans

Never before have I seen a clear distinction.

Yay for the Justin Amashs, Glenn Greenwalds, Alan Grayson, Julian Assange, Jesselyn Radack, and all those helping Snowden
Fuck off Dianne Feinstein, Mike Rogers, Barrack Obama, James Clapper, Michael Hayden, General Alexander, et all

So we are free to do whatever we want, as long as we are being watched while we do it. It seems inevitable that this kind of thing would happen, USA government is doing whatever the hell it wants and no one can really oppose them. It's a scary thought that someone can use anything you've ever written or read/seen online, or any conversation you've ever had over the phone as leverage against you. That amount of power and the way it was gained is unconstitutional and unethical, that being said I'm not sure if there is anything anyone can do about it? Is it too late to do anything?

"That law is A) Outdated, B) Not Intended for the way it's used now"
Law is VERY outdated, they need to do a full revision of the entire legal system, although one can only dream. Nothing is going to happen any time soon.

That being said, if I was the government, I would prob do the same thing. I would say it's along similar lines as poker datamining. playing against that player for the first time with already a set game plan whereas he has no idea whats going on. If you think poker datamining is okay and/or you have used a datamine in the past, then logically it would be hypocritical to say the government should stop doing this.

On January 29 2014 10:55 TalentedTom wrote: If you think poker datamining is okay and/or you have used a datamine in the past, then logically it would be hypocritical to say the government should stop doing this.

I think the NSA's invasion of peoples privacy everywhere is one of those things you simply can't relate to poker.

I don't datamine.

Do your internet dirt at the library.

Get a throw away phone in a fake name (metro pcs).

Should help some

They have cameras on every street corner in San Francisco. Pretty lame

On January 29 2014 10:55 TalentedTom wrote: So we are free to do whatever we want, as long as we are being watched while we do it. It seems inevitable that this kind of thing would happen, USA government is doing whatever the hell it wants and no one can really oppose them. It's a scary thought that someone can use anything you've ever written or read/seen online, or any conversation you've ever had over the phone as leverage against you. That amount of power and the way it was gained is unconstitutional and unethical, that being said I'm not sure if there is anything anyone can do about it? Is it too late to do anything? "That law is A) Outdated, B) Not Intended for the way it's used now" Law is VERY outdated, they need to do a full revision of the entire legal system, although one can only dream. Nothing is going to happen any time soon. That being said, if I was the government, I would prob do the same thing. I would say it's along similar lines as poker datamining. playing against that player for the first time with already a set game plan whereas he has no idea whats going on. If you think poker datamining is okay and/or you have used a datamine in the past, then logically it would be hypocritical to say the government should stop doing this.

There are ways around it, security related ways, however, nothing is stopping the GOV from banning/illegal to use security that stops them from being able to read all your messages/posts

Right now the big push is end to end encryption tech, which is very hard to do, as there are lots of weak spots. So, even if google/apple accomplish it, the USA could ban that tech or make it illegal to use certain forms of SSL on your phone/browsers.

The only way to ensure protection of privacy will be proper laws and legislation, which will be very hard as all the politicians are invested in the status quo or can be strong armed

I will go find the most recent Greenwald interview

On January 29 2014 10:55 TalentedTom wrote: If you think poker datamining is okay and/or you have used a datamine in the past, then logically it would be hypocritical to say the government should stop doing this.

The difference, of course, being that pokerdata mining websites do use your information but they could never use that information to put you in jail, or in the American citizen's Anwar Al Waki's case, droned, without a trial.


Most important movie in the last few years : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2532528/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
Funniest example of Media shillin out to govt.: https://t.co/2lNCYp2vrz

^^ my point was, everyone wants access to free information, and if we do, we tend to keep it to ourselves and use it for our own benefit. Unfortunately we live in a world where one "group" has access to 100% of information send out, almost like god mode intelligence. The worst part is, it's prob too late to do anything now, Im sure there's double and triple backups, if we pass a law to make it illegal, the systems are already created and can easily be duplicated if we for example burn down this spy center. Sounds like gg to me

the drip drip drip leaks from edward snowden seem to be released in a very purposeful way, often refuting official statements and exposing lies. I wouldn't be surprised if they planned out and anticipated govt response in a game of Set up, and Spike.

The United States Govt. seemed truly terrified when they redirected the Bolivian president's plane over suspicions that Snowden was on board (turned out not to be) http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-575...e-redirected-over-snowden-suspicions/

The following months, Pierre Omidyard's new news venture, that's sponsors Investigative Journalism, will put the pressure to the Obama administration. The more leaks exposed, the more the population understands truly how out of control the goverment has become with zero oversight (hence why I call it the secret govt - unprecedented levels of classified information - and to expose any of it is a national security threat)

We'll see how we respond as a citizen ship.

daddy US is always watching.

Morbidly obese brother ?

On January 29 2014 11:56 traxamillion wrote: I don't datamine. Do your internet dirt at the library. Get a throw away phone in a fake name (metro pcs). Should help some

doesn't work, the only reason it can be helpful is simply because they aren't watching you as much as you want to believe. Everyone has to switch phones at the same time. Otherwise they can link the new numbers calling old phones, use the metadata to compare it to previous 'watched' people and very quickly link the same person on new phone.

On January 30 2014 11:23 brambolius wrote: Morbidly obese brother ?

Made my day.

Also, time to invent something that is undetectable. Or bring back the romance of written word, pigeons and secret arrangements.
Soon enough you'll have to resort to how Marlo ran things in the wire.