[NL100] 6max, JJ UTG

Nl100, PS, 6max, stacks ~110bb.
I am UTG with JJ,
Villain is UTG+1.

Lately villain was maybe a little bit tilting, his stats were: 24/18/9.0 with 9% 3b after 130 hands.
At first I thought, 4bet/get it in. But then I looked at my stats, 14/12/-- after 108 hands.
So my image at the table was very nitty. Therefore decided to flat.

Do you agree with call instead of 4bet.

Will interested to know what's the postflop plan besides 4bet or flat
and even he's 3 betting 9% doesn't mean he 3bet UTG that light
any dynamic between you 2 or showdown result also help to know what hes doing besides stats

you're still utg, is this guy so much on tilt that he's actively looking to flip with AK?

is he trying to get in TT's

Wait, you need to be on tilt to get AK in pre o_O?

well against utg range iono, for me AQ is a clear flat, i mostly flat AK as well here as a default

14/12 on a 6 max table, jesus christ, i am 3 betting nuts and trash

JJ is a funny hand, 4 betting will win dead money and make trash fold and lose to nuts

calling will lead to you playing JJ oop, so e.z to get out played

this is a spot i had a tough time on when i played too, so actually i don't really know wat the right answer is. sounds like your reads once again are purely based on stats, maybe u should try 2-3 tabling without HUD but still import hands.

if he is maybe tilting, but not really sure, i think for the most part you are just being paranoid, you have the worst image, i don't really expect him to 3 bet you light if you are playing 14/12. plus it would suck to 4 bet get stacks in against AA and he will instantly get off tilt.

prob fold, this is nl100 and from waht i remember, ppl are not 3 betting NEARLY as much as you think they are (5% is hardly exploitable), you have a small sample, you have no reads, you have a tight image which makes it improbable that he is 3 betting you light, you have a hand that will play not so great on oop.

i guess you could 4 bet/fold

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feels like a fold

Any options besides 4bet/fold would be fine, 4bet bluff with JJ here is terribad

i would also flat with your description

On May 03 2012 03:25 sunnysky7 wrote: Any options besides 4bet/fold would be fine, 4bet bluff with here with anything is terribad

4betting is definitely turning our hand into a bluff here without any specific information...and 4b/call in these spots is a huge spew as a default.

flat sucks ass most of the time as we are OOP and it's not like our range is really better than his range anyways.

fold is probably best as a default untill we have more information than 14/12 over 100 hands

dude yomer, read carefully. hero is 14/12, villain is 24/18 w/9% 3b and tilting. If this was a live table I'd high five villain before calling his 5b jam

I dunno, I think we need to ask ourselves if villain is aware of the nittyness of hero's utg open range and what villains 3bet % vs utg is

I find that more often than not at 100nl, regs don't 3bet bluff nitty utg raisers that much, and especially not from utg+1. I don't think there is an obvious answer in this spot.

Not sure what coaches are telling people today, but a few years ago, they were saying that 100bbs deep its easier not to have a 3bet-call range oop. You can just balance your 4bet/fold frequency/range appropriately instead.

in spots like these it's very handy to have a nicely tweaked hud that tells you 3 bet % vs each position (EP / MP / CO/ Btn etc)

and of course differentiate both via in pos and from blinds as well.

sry about previous post i def was drunk or something when i posted that one ;(

Yeah I always relied on my HUD stats per position after 130 hands vs. a villain. Super detailed and I always knew what to do accordingly. EZ game

i only read the first post in the thread but you didn't even say what villain did. i'm assuming he 3bet you and you're asking whether or not it's good to get it in pre?

well with the player description, ofc you should. this thread is pretty worthless though. close it imo

anything but folding here is lighting money on fire. fold and look for a better spot imo.

Im 4 betting/callshove this any day!! WTF feels like alot of ppl play JJ like 22s these days ffs.. I guess thats why im still stuck in the micros

but on the serious side, this hand should be played solely on hero's reads, because if villain is a reg n knows how nitty you are, he is most likely not going to 3b you with a wide range.