2012 London Olympics - Page 8

Tutz, being right and being very honest with people will help them mature if they are ready to accept honesty. I'm skeptical of you calling a 50/50 stance between these conspiracy believers and reasoning people 'open minded' I would say it's close minded to ignore the overwhelming evidence against such things as NWO. Until you say something that actually means anything i have no reason to respect anything you say. In short, i beleive that being true to someone is more helpful than being nice to someone

This one is very interesting:

On May 02 2012 11:26 Stroggoz wrote: Tutz, being right and being very honest with people will help them mature if they are ready to accept honesty. I'm skeptical of you calling a 50/50 stance between these conspiracy believers and reasoning people 'open minded' I would say it's close minded to ignore the overwhelming evidence against such things as NWO. Until you say something that actually means anything i have no reason to respect anything you say. In short, i beleive that being true to someone is more helpful than being nice to someone

I agree, but being true doesnt mean bashing and flamming does it?

What is the main unit of evolution, the gene or the individual? What does it mean that dark matter was not apparent in a star cluster analyzed by a group of astronomers? Does the higgs-boson exist? What would the world be like had watergate not occurred? Can a neutrino go faster than light? (No)
Those r questions to keep an open mind about and that generate a real discussion.

Ideas like:
There is a secret group planning to stage an alien invasion ala watchmen at the 2012 olympics. Vaccines cause autism. The Earth is flat.
Are fucking moronic and evidence via youtube videos isnt evidence.

Ppl putting the group of questions as having equal validity as the list of ideas are the reason why "ancient aliens" is in its 4th season on history channel.

Also I didnt expect ppl here that support this thread to give a fuck about my comment w/ friends not visiting this site. I was mearly commenting on the fact that I have seen taco's hypothetical situation occur numerous times.

On May 02 2012 11:52 tutz wrote: Show nested quote + On May 02 2012 11:26 Stroggoz wrote: Tutz, being right and being very honest with people will help them mature if they are ready to accept honesty. I'm skeptical of you calling a 50/50 stance between these conspiracy believers and reasoning people 'open minded' I would say it's close minded to ignore the overwhelming evidence against such things as NWO. Until you say something that actually means anything i have no reason to respect anything you say. In short, i beleive that being true to someone is more helpful than being nice to someone I agree, but being true doesnt mean bashing and flamming does it?

i think flaming can be good in some situations. If people can't understand reason they will def understand the emphasis of someone's point. an old HH of mine for example http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/910685.
it's def not making dsmarts change his stance tho. It seems like nothing can make him change his stance.

Group mentality
It is a term described to a group unwilling to look beyond the overall consensus of the herd, many times it is out of the lack of drive or ambition to ask unreasonable questions to arrive at genuine answers, but more importantly and dangerously it is also an occurrence that spawns from fear of looking forwards in front of peers.

The unreasonable anger shown by many in this thread is just strange to me. Ok you don't agree with the alien hoax theory explain so and move on I don't get it.

The most important thing is to research for yourself and coming to your own conclusions not watching the idiot box because it is 'official'. If everyone just blindly accepted the media as truth it could become a very powerful tool.

On May 02 2012 11:52 tutz wrote: Show nested quote + On May 02 2012 11:26 Stroggoz wrote: Tutz, being right and being very honest with people will help them mature if they are ready to accept honesty. I'm skeptical of you calling a 50/50 stance between these conspiracy believers and reasoning people 'open minded' I would say it's close minded to ignore the overwhelming evidence against such things as NWO. Until you say something that actually means anything i have no reason to respect anything you say. In short, i beleive that being true to someone is more helpful than being nice to someone I agree, but being true doesnt mean bashing and flamming does it?

lol you do realize we are way past the point of just flaming and raging?

it's trolling time ;o

On May 02 2012 12:31 Mortensen8 wrote: Group mentality It is a term described to a group unwilling to look beyond the overall consensus of the herd, many times it is out of the lack of drive or ambition to ask unreasonable questions to arrive at genuine answers, but more importantly and dangerously it is also an occurrence that spawns from fear of looking forwards in front of peers. The unreasonable anger shown by many in this thread is just strange to me. Ok you don't agree with the alien hoax theory explain so and move on I don't get it. The most important thing is to research for yourself and coming to your own conclusions not watching the idiot box because it is 'official'. If everyone just blindly accepted the media as truth it could become a very powerful tool.

That or it's simply natural to mock plain stupidity when one makes a fool of himself ? And because the media say something does not mean an equivalently dumb idea should be given credit for ?

On May 02 2012 12:31 Mortensen8 wrote: Group mentality It is a term described to a group unwilling to look beyond the overall consensus of the herd, many times it is out of the lack of drive or ambition to ask unreasonable questions to arrive at genuine answers, but more importantly and dangerously it is also an occurrence that spawns from fear of looking forwards in front of peers. The unreasonable anger shown by many in this thread is just strange to me. Ok you don't agree with the alien hoax theory explain so and move on I don't get it. The most important thing is to research for yourself and coming to your own conclusions not watching the idiot box because it is 'official'. If everyone just blindly accepted the media as truth it could become a very powerful tool.

The reason conspiracy theory is mocked and flamed is because its been rationally discussed and the "evidence" for it obliterated 100 times over by basic logic. The hostility has nothing to do with a group mentality or any other excuse.

Just because you use the word "research" doesn't mean that your point has any validity. All studies -- aka those things which represent "research" -- are not created equal. Those who actually utilize critical thinking and perform research regularly throw out "evidence" which is flawed for various reasons. These reasons can include: inappropriate methodology for the collection of data, incorrect assumptions, inappropriate use of analytical tools, and more. Each factor I've mentioned is interrelated and each is tied back to the basic principles of what it means to understand something: If you bring me a theory which concludes that "The earth is flat." I have the right and obligation to request your evidence, "I left my house and walked for 100 miles in one direction, and found that I was not back at my home." Your methodology and data can be criticized as insufficient. Your research deemed invalid, anyone who cites your study as evidence for a flat earth will also have their "research" thrown out on the same basis: The study is fundamentally flawed.

This is the exact same thing going on with conspiracy theories, the methodology and data are deeply flawed. All "research" presented thus far is discarded because of these fundamental problems.

If you had any tendency towards the study of what knowledge is, or the history -- even very, very recent happenings and daily ongoings -- of science you would understand how common it is for ideas to be presented, analyzed, and discarded based on the sort of thing I've outlined above. Since you folks clearly do not express any true desire to understand and learn, those of us who do insist that+ Show Spoiler +

ALL KNOWLEDGE IS NOT POWER

My point was to not discredit everything because it is a 'conspiracy' all ideas should be considered and not banned because it isn't the general consensus or not officially confirmed. Why don't you present your evidence with all of it's sources here. I would like to see why you defend the government so much. I am talking about the political system not being just a front.

To be honest this is all pointless humanity will never do anything about it anyway. If you truly believe that there is nothing going on behind the scenes you have to be blind.

It is quite enough to point out that the entire premise your argument, that this incredible illuminati organization, who's brilliantly pulling the world's strings, wouldn't be smart enough to realize that broadcasting their plans of world domination via a wide variety of media created by organizing tens of thousands of different artists and organizations with disparate aims across hundreds of different genres and purposes from all around the world just to stroke their own egos... might be a bad idea.

Its fucking ridiculous on its face, and yet this is what 99% of the evidence ever presented by ya'll consists of.

uh... ducy yet?

And the argument isn't, "There's something going on behind the scenes" vs "There's nothing going on behind the scenes ever." That is a false dichotomy, and is immediately recognized by those of us who ever bother to exercise their brains (even if you don't know the proper word for this fallacy, you should recognize the broken logic).

lol you fucker you messed up posting my favorite gif ever

but honestly, if you can't take a second to read my posts -- which I believe could be very enlightening to you -- you should absolutely never, ever consider forming or expressing an opinion on the ideas presented in this thread

The Illuminati have people on key positions and work through corporate organizations posing as some world judjes like the World Health Organization or United Nations and so on. You need a few guys in top positions that take decisions. The others just work as they are taught to. You just have to watch a documentary on them. There are so many historical records and evidence that I will need a whole day to tell you the whole thing. Just watch End Game or find some other illuminati documentary and tell me what you think. Otherwise, a discussion is pointless if nothing can be discussed. Did you see my mini-Skull&Bones+Bohemian Grove presentation? Can you comment on each video/claim I made there?

of course I read your posts, and thats why I posted that gif. why will I bother discuss with someone that will end his posts like you? all caps saying I'm a retard and blablabla. fuck off dude

just by your recent post I can tell with absolut 100% certain that you haven't looked at the stuff posted in this thread, you probably took a glance at some, but I'm sure you didnt see any of the bigger stuff. if you wanna start a well inform discussion where you THINK you can bash people with a opnion that is totally different than yours you should at least know what they are talking about. And I dont even believe most of the theories here, but I took the time to look into it cause I think it is an interesting subject and wanted to have a well informed discussion about it. if you wont bother to do the same wtf are you doing here? get the fuck out, go masturbate to some porn o something.

hahaha posted that without looking at what d_smart_s had posted just above me

pretty much everything mr smart has posted here has been clearly debunked and shown to be invalid as evidence previously on LP or in this very thread

for instance, I debunked the claim that the mayor of london said that quote about zion, and I debunked the very presence of a spider statue at the 2012 olympic site

and what is the response everytime? another video, another piece of "evidence" is pointed to.

I haven't googled it but there's a 99.999% chance that everything you've posted has been more than sufficiently debunked by someone online, and that would easily be found -- but you never once did a search for any sort of thing like that, did you?

furthermore, my arguments above DID completely annihilate all of the evidence posted here. not every claim needs to be specifically addressed -- its like saying every piece of straw in a haystack taken from a field known not to contain anything but hay needs to be analyzed incase one is made of gold

for god know's what reason, I'm here trying to prevent you from closing your mind to reality, and all I get back are more youtubes. give me a break when I have a little fun at the end of a very coherent, well-thought out post

I am not gonna reply to people who have not looked at what I've posted and argue about it. That's a one-sided discussion and I am not gonna repeat what is said in a video just because someone doesn't think information can be transmitted on video format and "is probably debunked by someone online". Why should I waste effort in arguing with someone who is not interested in reading the initial thesis? The thread simply has the aim to give compiled information that some may find interesting and important. For the others like you, not reading and not commenting doesn't take more than a second as I already said.

Maybe you've forgotten, but this isn't the first time you've brought this topic up in the forums. Several people have graciously taken their time to evaluate your evidence in these previous encounters, and your strategy has always been to post a different piece of "evidence" instead. Forgive us for choosing when we want to waste our time rehashing the argument -- I've been kind enough to distill it down to the basic components of why you are utterly wrong and you again chose to reply with youtubes.