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NL200 Live 3B/fold AKo?

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HerroRara   Canada. Feb 18 2012 00:50. Posts 168

1/2 blinds Full ring. I have AK offsuit.

utg+1 raises to $8
utg+2 calls $8
I(utg+4) 3 bet to $32
button cold 4 bet shoves all in $191 total.(I have him covered)
everyone else folds
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I play HU so I dont know if it is too loose to call here without a read?
I'm getting 1.5 to 1 vs an unknown player. I had been very card dead recently so my image is tight(if he was paying attention)

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TalentedTom    Canada. Feb 18 2012 01:09. Posts 19798

?????

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superfashion   United States. Feb 18 2012 02:39. Posts 918

1) for next time, mention stack sizing before you tell the action
2) i'm probably snap vomitfolding here against unknown 1/2 live donk, even QQ would be a really tough decision. after playing several months of live 1/2 and 1/3 before carbon re-opened, i learned to just assume that everyone playing those limits (even 2/5 and higher probably but 2/5 is the highest i ever played live) is terribad and isn't making moves on you, especially as a cold 4bet. with AK you're flipping at best imo

shoving here as a bluff at 50NL is like explaning calcalus to a 6 month old cat wtf are you thinking - TalentedTomLast edit: 18/02/2012 02:41

wobbly_au   Australia. Feb 18 2012 03:05. Posts 6232

I ain't folding. Ever.

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Oly   United Kingdom. Feb 18 2012 05:21. Posts 3550


  On February 18 2012 02:39 superfashion wrote:
2) i'm probably snap vomitfolding here against unknown 1/2 live donk, even QQ would be a really tough decision.



You have this backwards. AK is HUGELY better than QQ in this spot. Easy call.

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Minsk   Belarus. Feb 18 2012 08:42. Posts 773

seems like a fold


Tensai176   Canada. Feb 18 2012 09:43. Posts 982

I don't what kind of crazy 1/2 games y'all are playing but this is pretty easy fold in the games that I play


RoyCe 4otZ   United States. Feb 18 2012 11:06. Posts 145


  On February 18 2012 09:43 Tensai176 wrote:
I don't what kind of crazy 1/2 games y'all are playing but this is pretty easy fold in the games that I play



I have to agree. If he's a fish this will always be KKo/AAo

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phexac   United States. Feb 18 2012 11:29. Posts 2554

If you interpret this as not a bluff, which is reasonable given no history, this is a pretty straight-forward fold, though it can feel weird cuz y' know, we haz AY KAY!

This becomes an "I ain't folding. Ever." situation when there is some dynamic involved because people will try to resteal 3-bets that they think are light. In fact, it is immensely profitable to do so at 1/2, since most regs are pretty oblivious. But if you are faced with no information, and you opponent does not know you, I think this becomes a fold since AK is most certainly not ahead of the value shove range there.

Also, I think most bluffs in this spots are not full stack shoves.

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morph1   Sierra Leone. Feb 18 2012 12:49. Posts 2324

few months ago I was playing little bit with pokerstove and I have a feeeling that I almost forgot how much equity AK have even vs tightest range

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lebowski   Greece. Feb 18 2012 14:17. Posts 8141


  On February 18 2012 11:29 phexac wrote:
If you interpret this as not a bluff, which is reasonable given no history, this is a pretty straight-forward call, though it can feel weird cuz y' know, we haz AY KAY!

But if you are faced with no information, and you opponent does not know you, I think this becomes a fold since AK is most certainly not ahead of the value shove range there.



I think you mean fold? or else I'm too wasted and these two lines don't contradict. I tried hard though.

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wobbly_au   Australia. Feb 18 2012 15:15. Posts 6232

One of the reasons why you guys shouldn't fold this is because this situation is so rare that you should just hand him your chips when he has AA. Don't make a thread about it.

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wobbly_au   Australia. Feb 18 2012 17:14. Posts 6232

In other words, if you folded this incorrectly you lose wayyyy too much. And frankly 200 nl live players just aren't good enough to justify folding this.

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HerroRara   Canada. Feb 18 2012 17:27. Posts 168

ty for the feedback. How wide is your calling range vs this 4 bet vs an unknown?

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phexac   United States. Feb 18 2012 17:35. Posts 2554


  On February 18 2012 17:14 wobbly_au wrote:
In other words, if you folded this incorrectly you lose wayyyy too much. And frankly 200 nl live players just aren't good enough to justify folding this.



meh don't like this logic. Either the this one-off gets lost among other situations where this is a call or that at NL200 you aren't good enough to judge. The reason is that the ability to reason out non-standard spots like this is one of the characteristics that distinguishes a better player from the average reg out there who just sees AK and blindly all-ins, no matter what. In fact, spots where you should not follow the standard line are quite common when you take them all together. Just think of how many poker questions actually have "it depends" as the answer. So I would encourage a player who is willing to try and think beyond the basics because it's what allows them to improve and have a higher winrate while doing so. You take here is just you being a condescending, as usual, and trying to squeeze in your "I'm better that all" insinuation.

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wobbly_au   Australia. Feb 18 2012 18:03. Posts 6232


  On February 18 2012 17:35 phexac wrote:
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meh don't like this logic. Either the this one-off gets lost among other situations where this is a call or that at NL200 you aren't good enough to judge. The reason is that the ability to reason out non-standard spots like this is one of the characteristics that distinguishes a better player from the average reg out there who just sees AK and blindly all-ins, no matter what. In fact, spots where you should not follow the standard line are quite common when you take them all together. Just think of how many poker questions actually have "it depends" as the answer. So I would encourage a player who is willing to try and think beyond the basics because it's what allows them to improve and have a higher winrate while doing so. You take here is just you being a condescending, as usual, and trying to squeeze in your "I'm better that all" insinuation.


Read into my post how you want. But what I wrote is what I truly believe to be the best advice.

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phexac   United States. Feb 18 2012 18:44. Posts 2554


  On February 18 2012 17:14 wobbly_au wrote:
In other words, if you folded this incorrectly you lose wayyyy too much. And frankly 200 nl live players just aren't good enough to justify folding this.



double post for some reason

Nitting it up since 2006Last edit: 22/02/2012 05:12

TalentedTom    Canada. Feb 18 2012 19:12. Posts 19798


  On February 18 2012 17:14 wobbly_au wrote:
In other words, if you folded this incorrectly you lose wayyyy too much. And frankly 200 nl live players just aren't good enough to justify folding this.



i was gonna write up a bunch of stuff similar to this, but i think my original post sums it up preety well

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same 

Tensai176   Canada. Feb 19 2012 09:13. Posts 982

I think because they aren't good enough, it becomes a fold...


TimDawg    United States. Feb 19 2012 09:36. Posts 9301


  On February 18 2012 08:42 Minsk wrote:
seems like a fold

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chrusher97   Canada. Feb 19 2012 10:13. Posts 447

This aint online bro, He said hes viewed as tight and hes 3betting a UTG open . Nobody cold 4bets light at live 1/2 so if button is tight enough I think you can fold


 




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