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And I read a bit more : they also considered the fact that 90% of requests on internet are made with google.fr in France. And google places its services first : if you type "map paris" you'll have first google maps and 10 pages later other similar sites.

Does this mean that they have to stop offering their maps service for free in France, or can they continue as long as they pay the fine?

Also LOL at 500,000 euros.

On February 15 2012 16:41 kingpowa wrote: And I read a bit more : they also considered the fact that 90% of requests on internet are made with google.fr in France. And google places its services first : if you type "map paris" you'll have first google maps and 10 pages later other similar sites.

Microsofts lawsuits though are different since they involve the bundling of software with their OS which the software (in the case of IE at least) blows. The US antitrust case against them was for bundling IE w/ Windows, and the newest EU one is investigating the same thing. The bundling of media player and server code is basically the same thing. They sell one product, the os, but add in software w/ it that can be seen as abusive since they don't allow others similar access to the os. Then again Apple would be fucked if they were the larger company since they bundle Safari and iTunes with the OSX. Google here isn't bundling the maps with anything else that they are doing. Its a service on the side. It isn't like "oh you downloaded chrome, here's a free map api to go with it." the offering and other software is separate.

Google though isn't the same in that they are offering the service to companies and only charging for heavy use in which case its more a bandwidth charge. Microsoft does the same thing with bing maps by allowing companies to use the api to create their own maps in webpages. and charges for corporate server use. Google apparently charges 10k/yr and Microsoft 5k/yr. So there are other competitive options offered from large companies.

Also bing and google both put their own services first, at least in America they do. Under French websites google still pulls up first always since it's so dominant, but the again yahoo pulled up as the first search engine result for years when you searched "search engine" on google due to yahoo's long time dominance. Seems frustrating that the difference is "o you're number 1 and offering this for free so fuck you, but number 2 giant ass corporation offering the same thing for free that's fine". But maybe the EU is just tired of constantly sueing microsoft for anti-trust.

I mean if google was the only company doing what they are doing then fine I can at least see the lawsuit, but they arn't.

As reference my results for "map paris" when logged out of all accounts.
Of course this is ignoring things like duckduckgo and other search engines.
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As for privacy, I personally just accepted long ago that corporations in all likely-hood know more about me then anyone or anything else except maybe the US gov't, but even then it's a tossup. Considering I use google and they read peoples emails sent with gmail, logs and reads chats, logs all history, logs any info on google+ etc. Microsoft does the same for my hotmail accounts, and ditto facebook.

sure let's go ahead and try to fuck over one of the few companies that are still contributing greatly to humanity ;o

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I understand "accepting" that they have access to this info and use it. That's a fact, but why accept it? We are still in a relatively new age of companies having this type of information and them having this type of access to person information doesn't necessarily have to be the case. Do you have any reservations?

On February 15 2012 18:39 Night2o1 wrote: @palak I understand "accepting" that they have access to this info and use it. That's a fact, but why accept it? We are still in a relatively new age of companies having this type of information and them having this type of access to person information doesn't necessarily have to be the case. Do you have any reservations?

I feel safer with google owning my private information than any government. Not even considering i'm not an american/european citizen.

On February 15 2012 18:39 Night2o1 wrote: @palak I understand "accepting" that they have access to this info and use it. That's a fact, but why accept it? We are still in a relatively new age of companies having this type of information and them having this type of access to person information doesn't necessarily have to be the case. Do you have any reservations?

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google already owns the planet duno what anyone thinks they can do to stop it

I'm never gonna see flying cars and space colonization in my lifetime if Google has to subsidize all the inferior companies on its way to world domination =[

Palak I do agree with what you said.
As said, I feel bothered by all these data collected, and I try to diversify my use of the internet, using more open source software. I have no problem with my emails logged, though I have some with them being skimmed.

Thing is if you are being quite lazy on the service you use, it leads you to have quite a lot of "abuse of dominant position". It's pretty clear that the dominant position doesn't bring something good for "consumers". For example, now apple can prevent you from using other technologies (flash), or collect data via apps, now they are shitty adds at the beginning of some vids on youtube (google), same with facebook evolving..

I also try to use as much open software as possible, but end up typically just using non open source since I just pirate all my software anyway. I don't think that those examples listed really qualify as abuse. I mean the app collection sure, but everyone does that not just apple. Fb worries me w/ where it may go now that it's becoming publicly traded so ad space may shoot through the roof.
Ads on youtube are there because pre ads google was losing around $1.65 million dollars a day keeping youtube running http://www.internetevolution.com/auth...section_id=715&doc_id=175123&

Apple not using flash was actually due to it wanting open standard on the internet and Steve thinking flash would never come out w/ an actual good phone software (which they didn't). His letter.
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My bigger personal problems with Apple (and reason I may move to the S3 from iphone 4) are its blatant disregard for chinese workers while making record profits and its incredbile abuse of patant law.

I know the reasons why youtube put adds or iphone doesn't use flash. I just underline the fact that people start using those great free services, and become used to it. At this time, company makes evolution to those services, and as people are now quite used to it, they don't switch to others similar services. I'm just stating the fact, not even saying that's wrong.

On February 15 2012 19:08 GoTuNk wrote: Show nested quote + On February 15 2012 18:39 Night2o1 wrote: @palak I understand "accepting" that they have access to this info and use it. That's a fact, but why accept it? We are still in a relatively new age of companies having this type of information and them having this type of access to person information doesn't necessarily have to be the case. Do you have any reservations? I feel safer with google owning my private information than any government. Not even considering i'm not an american/european citizen.

the problem with google having the information is that it may end up in the hands of the government. Not sure what their track record is in defending people's information against government subpoenas. I know it's been an issue for Twitter and some of the wikileaks people.

Pretty sure the Google lawyer started laughing and paid him the 500k in cash from of his wallet.

Also lol at suing somebody for offering an awesome free service... on the pretense that they might use that for a monopoly in the future. The fuck is this, minority report? We get to charge people for stuff they might do now?




Hopefully google greases a couple politicians palms and the U.S. invades that stupid country France.

On February 16 2012 07:24 kingpowa wrote: I know the reasons why youtube put adds or iphone doesn't use flash. I just underline the fact that people start using those great free services, and become used to it. At this time, company makes evolution to those services, and as people are now quite used to it, they don't switch to others similar services. I'm just stating the fact, not even saying that's wrong.

Maybe im just bias due to having tech savy friends but ive never had an instance where ppl were so used to one non-unique free service that when the service starting charging they didnt just all bail to another free place. Im talking about actually charging money too like hulu+ does. Also seeing things like netflix stock goin from $300 a share down to $120 a share after they announced price hikes. I see the theory concern but I dont see it in practice. Kinda why this lawsuit is annoying...i would prefer a ruling of "if google becomes a monopoly and charges money then we r saying now they will be charged x" rather then fining them for a possible action.

I understand and favor many of the anti-trust complaints against google but this case seems just as absurd as Apple getting to patent "slide to unlock" and "data tapping"

On February 16 2012 08:52 blackjacki2 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 15 2012 19:08 GoTuNk wrote:   On February 15 2012 18:39 Night2o1 wrote: @palak I understand "accepting" that they have access to this info and use it. That's a fact, but why accept it? We are still in a relatively new age of companies having this type of information and them having this type of access to person information doesn't necessarily have to be the case. Do you have any reservations? I feel safer with google owning my private information than any government. Not even considering i'm not an american/european citizen. the problem with google having the information is that it may end up in the hands of the government. Not sure what their track record is in defending people's information against government subpoenas. I know it's been an issue for Twitter and some of the wikileaks people.

Google has an extremely good track record with ppl privacy rights when in court (would cite if wasnt mobile)

However unless u r planning a massive bombing I highly doubt there is ajything google has which the gov't doesnt already have and just doesnt give a shit about.

Pretty obvious someone sucked at business and made an awesome scam. If you think google is going to start charging for maps, you don't understand how business works. God damn, that suggestion is just ludicrous.

On February 16 2012 09:30 palak wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2012 08:52 blackjacki2 wrote:   On February 15 2012 19:08 GoTuNk wrote:   On February 15 2012 18:39 Night2o1 wrote: @palak I understand "accepting" that they have access to this info and use it. That's a fact, but why accept it? We are still in a relatively new age of companies having this type of information and them having this type of access to person information doesn't necessarily have to be the case. Do you have any reservations? I feel safer with google owning my private information than any government. Not even considering i'm not an american/european citizen. the problem with google having the information is that it may end up in the hands of the government. Not sure what their track record is in defending people's information against government subpoenas. I know it's been an issue for Twitter and some of the wikileaks people. Google has an extremely good track record with ppl privacy rights when in court (would cite if wasnt mobile) However unless u r planning a massive bombing I highly doubt there is ajything google has which the gov't doesnt already have and just doesnt give a shit about.

Yeah, I'm certain all these big tech giants are huge defenders of their user's privacy as their business depends on it. I remember yahoo going to court against a guy who sued them because he wanted the password to his son's email after he was killed in iraq.

There's also the issue of hackers stealing the data who might not be as protective as google. Was just listening to NPR in the car and they were talking about Chinese hackers and how good they are at pilfering information that not even Google is completely protected from them.

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