$10/$20 with a set on dry board.

$10/20 game during LAPC, my table is not so great with a lot of pretty nitty regs. There is a lot of other weird side shit that happened during the course of this hand that would be too long to explain exactly, so we'll just skip all the rando live reads that I have for w/e reasons and get straight to the hand. The basics: I definitely have the most active image at the table, this other reg at the table is talking to me like we are at "war" because of how often I've raised him, but in all honesty it's hard to war with someone who's folding every hand. He's definitely helping my image. I'm stuck a lot, and most of the table knows it, but Villan is new and prolly has no clue as to how much I'm stuck.

The main Villan in the hand just sat down two orbits before. He's Indian guy in his late 20's early 30s, wearing headphones and is reading something on his iPad. Gives off the impression that he is prolly a pro. He has yet to play a hand in the previous two orbits. The button is an old man tight fish who is slowly bleeding money in spots really passively.

Stacks:
Button ($830)
Villan ($3600)
I cover both

Preflop: I raise to $80 UTG+1 w , young kid next to me calls. Button calls. Villan is in the BB, he calls.

Flop: (Pot: $330)
Villan checks, I bet $220. Young kid to my left folds, Button calls. Villan tanks for about 10 seconds then announces a raise to $720. Button looks like he's set on putting his remaining stack in. I call. Button shoves for the $30 more. Villan tanks for a minute, then puts in the $30. I quickly call the $30.

Turn: (Pot: $2580)
Villan tanks for a minute, then shoves all-in for ~$2700. Thoughts?

Fold.

I'm curious what the weird side shit is after reading the hand

you called and villain had 9T wp.

well we can't fold now....

Bottom set ftw

"Villan tanks for a minute, then puts in the $30"
ಠ_ಠ

looks like you're flipping against his range right? The problem here is that he plays like 10 hands the same way 5 of which you are beating and 5 of which you are not.

So clear call I think.

Thoughts on what he jams here?

On February 12 2012 05:41 JonnyCosMo wrote: Button shoves for the $30 more. Villan tanks for a minute, then puts in the $30.

thanks for one whole minute to call extra $30? sickest slowroll ever

On February 12 2012 14:45 JonnyCosMo wrote: Thoughts on what he jams here?

Hands you lose to: 1010,99,QQ,78

(j8, kj) maybe in his range

Hands you beat: jj, j10, qj, 109, q10,

(77,88, 98,j9) maybe in his range

I think he does not shove with j8, kj and I think it is entirely plausible for him to have 77, 88, 98, and j8 though they may not be.

So I think it is a call given no reads. Agree?

well actually does he flat qq pre? and does he play j8?

His check raise on the flop looks an awful lot like a set or two pair though.

I think he shows up with 1010, 99 and 109 the most, but I still agree with above as his likely range.

why would he shove 77/88/J9/QJ/JT/JJ/98 on an empty side pot wtf?

On February 12 2012 20:28 player999 wrote: why would he shove 77/88/J9/QJ/JT/JJ/98 on an empty side pot wtf?

You are way better than me. Thus I yield to your opinion.

Does this mean he shoves Q10 and 109? Or did you just forget to add those in?

My thought process was that he wants to defend all those hands against Johnny and take the sizable pot against what he perceives as likely a much weaker hand. I mean he knows Johnny isn't in there with nothing.

Explain to me please : )

how u gonna even if u fold cosmo?? you still up in la? i might go tomorrow for a few days

On February 12 2012 21:18 rememp wrote: Show nested quote + On February 12 2012 20:28 player999 wrote: why would he shove 77/88/J9/QJ/JT/JJ/98 on an empty side pot wtf? You are way better than me. Thus I yield to your opinion. Does this mean he shoves Q10 and 109? Or did you just forget to add those in? My thought process was that he wants to defend all those hands against Johnny and take the sizable pot against what he perceives as likely a much weaker hand. I mean he knows Johnny isn't in there with nothing. Explain to me please : )

why would he bluff when there is no side pot? so he can risk a lot and get 0$ when hero folds?

only question here is do we beat his value range

On February 12 2012 21:18 rememp wrote: and take the sizable pot against what he perceives as likely a much weaker hand.

take how, when the other guy is all in?

On February 12 2012 22:41 player999 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 12 2012 21:18 rememp wrote: and take the sizable pot against what he perceives as likely a much weaker hand. take how, when the other guy is all in?

So what is his value range if he doesn't shove any of those things? Just air or everything that beats us?

value ranges dont contain air. ranges might contain air, value ranges contain value hands.

and as I said, it makes 0 sense for him to have air since bluffing awards him 0 chips given he loses the main pot anyway.

On February 12 2012 22:58 player999 wrote: value ranges dont contain air. ranges might contain air, value ranges contain value hands. and as I said, it makes 0 sense for him to have air since bluffing awards him 0 chips given he loses the main pot anyway.

Oh okay, well I never thought he was bluffing as it made no sense which is why I didn't include any bluffs in the range I assigned. But then you went ahead and said he would never shove 7 of the 9 hands I put down. So all that is left is 2 hands we beat and 6 we do not beat. Is that then his realistic value range?

q10, 109, 1010, 99, qq, j8, kj, 78

My initial thought process is he wouldn't be shoving these hands because he would want more value and would make a half pot bet, and that he would be shoving the seven hands you discounted because they get johnny cosmo out of the hand and he is playing for a sizable pot against what he conceives as a much weaker hand from fish who is already all in.

My thought process was that cosmo looks to have a much stronger hand than fish so villain wants cosmo out.