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TimDawg    United States. Feb 08 2012 05:29. Posts 9261

you'll just get owned a ton if you do call 66 here imo, unless you plan on doing things like this very often which in that case, i'm OK with it but i prefer to have more equity

i like it a lot if he's capable of folding like cosmo said. you don't rep a lot of hands but enough that could conceivably take this line, so if i was in his shoes, i would probably give you credit a lot

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Twisted    Netherlands. Feb 08 2012 05:34. Posts 10286

I like it a lot.

Folding to the flop raise is too weak if the guy truly has a raise cbet of 25%. I guess you could go into check/calling mode against an aggromonkey like this though but he's gonna be able to play perfectly then so I prefer this.

I think he has a lot of AXcc in his range as well. If he folds those, this is good.


Oly   United Kingdom. Feb 08 2012 07:41. Posts 3544

25% raise cbet is aggromonkey? Ook!

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Twisted    Netherlands. Feb 08 2012 07:52. Posts 10286

When I still played NLHE I had a cbet raise% of 25 and most regs were around 10-15%.


Darki   Peru. Feb 08 2012 13:06. Posts 686


  On February 08 2012 07:41 Oly wrote:
25% raise cbet is aggromonkey? Ook!



well a laggy guy who raises 25% of cbets and probably see me as a lag player too i think he will be even more agressive against me so we can qualify him as aggro not sure if we can call him aggromonkey tho.

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Oly   United Kingdom. Feb 08 2012 13:57. Posts 3544

Haha I agree. I meant that if 25% is an aggromonkey then I am one. It was a Pratchett reference, though of course definitely not a monkey.

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Oly   United Kingdom. Feb 08 2012 14:00. Posts 3544

And I love your line. But I think a flop fold, though it may feel further from optimal, will reduce many later mistakes.

Researchers used brain scans to show that when straight men looked at pictures of women in bikinis, areas of the brain that normally light up in anticipation of using tools, like spanners and screwdrivers, were activated.Last edit: 08/02/2012 14:00

Minsk   Belarus. Feb 08 2012 14:45. Posts 752

I think the river line seems fine, its important to balance here i think because its not normal to have a c/r trapping range here on river. players have c/c induce ranges but a c/r bluff makes more sense than a c/r for value (his range is very capped) to the point where it can be easy to see through and i wouldnt be too shocked if a 33/26 called as light as KQ

I think the flop is a clear fold, especially without the 6c...i think a c/c is fine b/f is fine



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Oly   United Kingdom. Feb 08 2012 14:52. Posts 3544


  On February 08 2012 14:45 Minsk wrote:
I think the river line seems fine, its important to balance here i think because its not normal to have a c/r trapping range here on river. players have c/c induce ranges but a c/r bluff makes more sense than a c/r for value (his range is very capped) to the point where it can be easy to see through and i wouldnt be too shocked if a 33/26 called as light as KQ

I think the flop is a clear fold, especially without the 6c...i think a c/c is fine b/f is fine






I completely disagree. If I had got to the river with 2 pair+ I would see this ace and consider it the absolutely perfect dream definitive c/r spot. The only problem is how often we have a big hand here, and I think aces up is just enough doubt in his mind to get the required fold equity.

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Minsk   Belarus. Feb 08 2012 15:11. Posts 752

no we agree...its that i write objective and you write subjective

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Oly   United Kingdom. Feb 08 2012 15:15. Posts 3544

lol no more drunk posting for me

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EvilSky    Czech Republic. Feb 08 2012 16:50. Posts 8871

Honestly I dont like any of this, even if you think he is mostly full of shit on the flop you still cant get to showdown and you are forced to try and bluff him off of a rivered TP. You are much better off just raising the flop if you want to continue.


Twisted    Netherlands. Feb 08 2012 20:05. Posts 10286

You're setting yourselves up to massive mistakes if you 3bet the flop because he's gonna shove all his draws forcing you to fold.

My point is that when a villian raises this flop it's gonna be air/draw a lot because a lot of the kings get 3bet preflop and most people don't raise KJ for value on this flop so again; I don't mind at all how you played it. He could easily be bluffing the A on the river but it's likely he rivered toppair and for him this might be a clear bet/fold spot. If he's the calling type of player, I'd just fold river but if not, I think it's a decent line.

Sure folding flop is easiest, but you're giving up a ton of equity by 'just' folding to a minraise.


EvilSky    Czech Republic. Feb 09 2012 09:20. Posts 8871

I disagree twisted, I dont think he would raise/shove all his FDs, but KcXc,AcXc and 4c6c if he has that, even if he raises and jams over with like 8c9c(which he doesnt) we are even losing to that. But against his air range we would do much better to take it down on the flop than take a turn oop against a hand like QJ with a club, our hand just isnt strong enough, if we had like A5 I wouldnt mind calling as much but 66 Im happy to raise/fold the flop.


JohnnyBologna   United States. Feb 10 2012 17:08. Posts 1172

learned something new today. i agree with evilsky. give him a greenstar!

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TimDawg    United States. Feb 11 2012 03:48. Posts 9261


  On February 10 2012 17:08 JohnnyBologna wrote:
learned something new today. i agree with evilsky. give him a greenstar!

true that

good post evilsky

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n0rthf4ce    United States. Feb 11 2012 17:47. Posts 8053

i bet if u 3b flop/shove turn or 3b flop/snapcall it off he'll never fuck with u again

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morph1   Sierra Leone. Feb 17 2012 05:33. Posts 2322

if someone is bluffraising your cbets a lot
isn't the best way to procede with marginal value hands by check-calling

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Oly   United Kingdom. Feb 17 2012 12:02. Posts 3544


  On February 17 2012 05:33 morph1 wrote:
if someone is bluffraising your cbets a lot
isn't the best way to procede with marginal value hands by check-calling



No way dude, you'll get STOMPED on. It is possible to play and balance that strategy but it's a whole lot easier not to. Sometimes you just gotta fight fire with fire and not slip into passive mode where you will always be doing the guessing and opening yourself up to bucketloads of mistakes.

Researchers used brain scans to show that when straight men looked at pictures of women in bikinis, areas of the brain that normally light up in anticipation of using tools, like spanners and screwdrivers, were activated.Last edit: 17/02/2012 12:03

morph1   Sierra Leone. Feb 18 2012 11:28. Posts 2322

yea I agree ... check-guessing is hard game to play
I'm talking from theory perspective and trying to think more about this spots myself.
I was thinking that it could be good to have in your game esp because most of the people just take a stab when it's check to them
and 66 is probably not the best hand to do so because it's so vuernable

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