HeRoS)eNGagE   Canada. Feb 09 2012 16:30. Posts 10896
maybe its gona help some of you feel better
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Feb 09 2012 17:59. Posts 9634
The main idea of this is exactly to show what people's counter arguments are.
When im on my way to work in the morning i don't have time to stop and watch some guy play a fkin violin, even if he is really good at it.
Indeed, thats the problem with today's world. We r so busy with ourselves [insert speech from Fight Club] that we dont appreciate the little things - its the sad truth. Im not saying you are wrong. Im just stating the obvious facts. Its uncool that so many of you fail to recognize that thought ...
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brambolius   Netherlands. Feb 10 2012 06:02. Posts 1708
On February 07 2012 13:24 gawdawaful wrote:
to all the whiny faggots about LP =/= social media: fuck you
SakiSaki, pretty much what cariadon says. I have no problem with people not enjoying what I enjoy in most cases. I couldn't care less if people ignored my favorite modern artists. But ignoring someone playing Bach, we're talking about BACH here, on a stradivarius worth a few million dollars at such a high level is something else, something that you can't possibly comprehend unless you are a music lover, an aesthete. Not someone who simply says: "I love music!" To which I would quote Thoreau: "Men profess to be lovers of music, but for the most part they give no evidence in their opinions and lives that they have heard it." So yes, it hurts me as an aesthete, I see a great tragedy there.
What I am repulsed by are Philistines who are completely out of touch with the essence of life and are more interested in pursuing illusory, useless things like the acquisition of material goods and social status and comfort than what has real value, like the experience of listening to Bach played so wonderfully. One of Thoreau's most famous lines is that "the mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation." And why is that? I believe that an honest look at this story/video is the answer.
"The moments of separating of the delusions world are for the human being
moments in which the entire existence feels like a melody and all of the
being’s sufferings assemble and melt into “a convergence of sounds, into a
musical enthusiasm and into a warm and resonant universal community”,
into a “sweet and rhythmic immateriality”. "
"Music is the second casting of the world." and "We have art in order not to die of the truth."
- Nietzsche
"Music is a revelation beyond any wisdom and philosophy."
- Beethoven
"Singing saves the being"
- Malarmé
“I will come back to the music in which worlds are talking to me, the other worlds – to the musical mystery that lies in me
and sends its reflexes in mysterious undulations, which tear me apart and reduce my
matter to pure communion.” - Cioran
Reminded me of this (previously posted on here) and probably the most relevant video on the topic:
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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Funktion   Australia. Feb 10 2012 10:28. Posts 1638
Good luck telling the wife you lost your job because you listened to some music in the subway and now can't feed the kids.
For some people music no matter how good is such a low priority...and it doesn't matter. Just as much as if Shakespeare came back from the dead and was reading one of his plays or Tom Brady was doing tricks with a football. Accept that some people have different priorities, values and responsibilities. Not that hard.
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palak   United States. Feb 10 2012 12:01. Posts 4601
Damn iphone fuck up
dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium
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palak   United States. Feb 10 2012 12:13. Posts 4601
on a stradivarius worth a few million dollars
yea bach played on a violin that is so over valued ppl would rather spend 3.6 mil to have the ego boner to say "i bought a stradivarius" instead of donating that money to charity or something..."fuck the poor that r starving i'd rather own this old ass violin" putting that much value and prestige into a material good that doesnt produce any higher quality sound then violins that cost $30k. Which is still insane. Plus if u r going to talk music quality, listening in a crowded subway with shitty acoustics is hardly going to sound as good as a high quality recording through good speakers or a concert. Also no its not just me being ignorant of sound quality from that instrument ranting.
Above all, these instruments are famous for the quality of sound they produce. However, the many blind tests from 1817[8][9] to the present (as of 2012[10] ) have never found any difference in sound between Stradivari's violins and high-quality violins in comparable style of other makers and periods, nor has acoustic analysis.[11][12] In a particularly famous test on a BBC Radio 3 program in 1977, the violinists Isaac Stern and Pinchas Zukerman and the violin expert and dealer Charles Beare tried to distinguish between the "Chaconne" Stradivarius, a 1739 Guarneri del Gesú, an 1846 Vuillaume, and a 1976 British violin played behind a screen by a professional soloist. The two violinists were allowed to play all the instruments first. None of the listeners identified more than two of the four instruments. Two of the listeners identified the 20th-century violin as the Stradivarius.[13] Violinists and others have criticized these tests on various grounds such as that they are not double-blind (in most cases), the judges are often not experts, and the sounds of violins are hard to evaluate objectively and reproducibly.[12]
In a test in 2009, the British violinist Matthew Trusler played his 1711 Stradivarius, said to be worth two million U.S. dollars, and four modern violins made by the Swiss violin-maker Michael Rhonheimer. One of Rhonheimer's violins, made with wood that the Empa researcher Francis Schwarze had treated with fungi, received 90 of the 180 votes for the best tone, while the Stradivarius came in second with just 39 votes. The majority (113) of the listeners misidentified the winning violin as the Stradivarius.[14][15][16]
dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium
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k4ir0s   Canada. Feb 10 2012 12:37. Posts 3476
On February 10 2012 05:53 Loco wrote: a stradivarius worth a few million dollars
On February 10 2012 05:53 Loco wrote:
What I am repulsed by are Philistines who are completely out of touch with the essence of life and are more interested in pursuing illusory, useless things like the acquisition of material goods
I dont know what a dt drop is. Is it a wrestling move? -Oly
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Mariuslol   Norway. Feb 10 2012 12:46. Posts 4742
On February 09 2012 16:59 Spitfiree wrote:
The main idea of this is exactly to show what people's counter arguments are.
When im on my way to work in the morning i don't have time to stop and watch some guy play a fkin violin, even if he is really good at it.
Indeed, thats the problem with today's world. We r so busy with ourselves [insert speech from Fight Club] that we dont appreciate the little things - its the sad truth. Im not saying you are wrong. Im just stating the obvious facts. Its uncool that so many of you fail to recognize that thought ...
You're way of and over generalizing, it's been awhile since a lot of people realized "we're slaves" to our emotions, blabla, reactionary, passive. But this is a very bad example.
When I'm out I'd ignore something like this, but if one person was walking really slow, I'd find that fascinating, or if a little girl took her finger out, then did a clap, and then a satisfied nod like she was pleased with the sound of her clap, then walk more proudly in her next few steps, I'd feel a slight tingle.
Meh, I just get easily peeved when I feel like I get put in a booth, especially by something that's trivial through my lenses, but then again, I shouldn't really be focusing on external things now should I xD
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SakiSaki   Sweden. Feb 10 2012 12:48. Posts 9685
On February 10 2012 05:53 Loco wrote:
loads of text
So basicly your answer is yes then. But its ok because your taste is super awesome. Then you list a bunch of famous people who also shared your taste. Cmon man.
what wackass site is this nigga?
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zulu_nation8   United States. Feb 10 2012 13:08. Posts 1929
pretty sure this exact topic was discussed here about a year ago
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Daut   United States. Feb 10 2012 13:21. Posts 8955
pretty sure if adriana lima was standing there in a garbage bag, overcoat and beanie with dirt all over her begging for change id still say "man that druggy homeless chick is fucking hot"
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
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k4ir0s   Canada. Feb 10 2012 13:39. Posts 3476
On February 10 2012 05:53 Loco wrote:
loads of text
So basicly your answer is yes then. But its ok because your taste is super awesome. Then you list a bunch of famous people who also shared your taste. Cmon man.
standard loco. always preaching how his taste in music, and his views on life are so much more superior than the common man (the "philistine"!). then he goes on listing quotes from famous philosophers relating to his present opinion, trying so desperately to convince you that he's right
I dont know what a dt drop is. Is it a wrestling move? -Oly
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Mariuslol   Norway. Feb 10 2012 13:39. Posts 4742
On February 10 2012 05:53 Loco wrote:
SakiSaki, pretty much what cariadon says. I have no problem with people not enjoying what I enjoy in most cases. I couldn't care less if people ignored my favorite modern artists. But ignoring someone playing Bach, we're talking about BACH here, on a stradivarius worth a few million dollars at such a high level is something else, something that you can't possibly comprehend unless you are a music lover, an aesthete. Not someone who simply says: "I love music!" To which I would quote Thoreau: "Men profess to be lovers of music, but for the most part they give no evidence in their opinions and lives that they have heard it." So yes, it hurts me as an aesthete, I see a great tragedy there.
What I am repulsed by are Philistines who are completely out of touch with the essence of life and are more interested in pursuing illusory, useless things like the acquisition of material goods and social status and comfort than what has real value, like the experience of listening to Bach played so wonderfully. One of Thoreau's most famous lines is that "the mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation." And why is that? I believe that an honest look at this story/video is the answer.
"The moments of separating of the delusions world are for the human being
moments in which the entire existence feels like a melody and all of the
being’s sufferings assemble and melt into “a convergence of sounds, into a
musical enthusiasm and into a warm and resonant universal community”,
into a “sweet and rhythmic immateriality”. "
"Music is the second casting of the world." and "We have art in order not to die of the truth."
- Nietzsche
"Music is a revelation beyond any wisdom and philosophy."
- Beethoven
"Singing saves the being"
- Malarmé
“I will come back to the music in which worlds are talking to me, the other worlds – to the musical mystery that lies in me
and sends its reflexes in mysterious undulations, which tear me apart and reduce my
matter to pure communion.” - Cioran
Reminded me of this (previously posted on here) and probably the most relevant video on the topic:
Bach, Liszt, Chopin, Grieg, it doesn't really matter, might come as a shock, and your sense of belief makes you shrug and feel "they don't get it".
I've always "felt" I love music, and I almost always get put into that (what I see as) "bad" category when talking to people about music, and each time on the inside I am lolling thinking they are retards, but to be friendly I just do small stings and jokes on them externally.
I am not saying you are wrong, I am very confident you are right, but if you and me were to have a dialogue on this topic, I would almost only say thing contradicting what you're saying, but I wouldn't be wrong.
I would be right too.
Music is beauty, it's breath-taking and awesome, at least to me. But what kind of music gives you goose buns doesn't mean it gives me.
You might say I don't get it, you might call me out on my music skills, but I'd have ammo to shut every argument down. I used to live with someone who could play the most difficult works of Liszt, and several of Bach, Chopin so forth. Also won an award for best performance of La Campanella in an audition for the hardest music school in Norway.
I've sat for hours having him talk about why it's beautiful, awesome, thrilling cool and whatnot. I used to have it at like a solid 2 on a scale from 1 - 10, but after that I add like 5% classical into my music, but it's just not my type of music.
I feel this Tedtalk clip is relevant, it's about beauty. To summarize, what gives you chills, doesn't need to be what gives someone else a chill. (The good type of chills lol). + Show Spoiler +
What has real value? Keep zooming in or out and you'll see that it change, is it to feel good, happiness? Take care next of kin? Is that real value? Is it subjective or objectively.
I think different things make different people happy, and if that is true, what's really valuable to one isn't the same to someone else.
And the quotes are awesome and cool, but when you do anything that's cool, or you feel is important or awesome, just slap a quote that's awesome as well, and it'll look more wise and profound.
I think I have 400 good quotes saved in total on my Pc, some are from music, some from people who's struggled, some people who've survived difficult hardships, former presidents, inventor's, mathematicians, musicians so forth, you get the picture.
You focus your mind to train your body and the changes that begin to take place impact your mind as well. Dream it, believe it, and you will achieve it.
If you always do what you have always done, then you will always get what you have always got.
Pain is temporary, pride is forever
Try and fail is the manner of losers; try and learn is the way of the strong.
Only the weak attempts to accomplish what he knows he can already achieve.
Success must be felt within before it can be seen on the outside
There are plenty of difficult obstacles in your path. Don't allow yourself to become one of them.
You have to do what others won't to achieve what others don't.
Pain is only weakness leaving the body
How am I to know what I can achieve if I quit?
The greatest oak was once a little nut who held its ground
We must train from the inside out. Using our strengths to attack and nullify any weaknesses. It's not about denying a weakness may exist but about denying its right to persist.
It's never too late to become what you might have been
The act of taking the first step is what separates the winners from the losers.
Your body hears everything your mind says.
You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take.
Don't let what you can't do interfere with what you can do
There are no secrets to success. It is the result of preparation, hard work, and learning form failure.
Life shrinks or expands in proportion to ones courage.
Great souls have wills; feeble ones have only wishes.
If you don't go after what you want, you'll never have it. If you don't ask, the answer is always no. If you don't step forward, you're always in the same place.
You give what you give, what you dont give is lost forever, this day will never come again
Just say to yourself... how bad do I want this? Am I working harder than the person who will be standing next to me?
The meaning of life is not simply to exist, to survive, but to move ahead, to go up, to achieve, to conquer.
Limitations are for people that have them and excuses are for people that need them.
If it is to be, it is up to me
If somebody beats me, its not because they outworked me.
A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do.
If you can imagine it, you can achieve it; if you can dream it, you can become it.
you deserve what you settle for
Crawling is acceptable. Falling is acceptable. Puking is acceptable. Tears are acceptable. Pain is acceptable. Injury is acceptable. Quitting is unacceptable.
The wise man does at once what the fool does finally.
Fight one more round. When your arms are so tired that you can hardly lift your hands to come on guard, fight one more round. When your nose is bleeding and your eyes are black and you are so tired that you wish your opponent would crack you one on the jaw and put you to sleep, fight one more round - remembering that the man who always fights one more round is never whipped
the wise forgive but do not forget"
Your actions, and your action alone, determines your worth.
Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless you're scared.
My body is like breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I don't think about it, I just have it.
We all have great inner power. The power is self-faith. There's really an attitude
to winning. You have to see yourself winning before you win. And you have to be
hungry. You have to want to conquer.
The strongest steel is forged with the hottest fire
Yesterday was history. Tomorrow is a mystery. But today is a gift, and that is why it's called the present
I will do today what others will not do, so i can have tomorrow what others will not have.
Success is the ability to go from one failure to the next with no loss of enthusiasm.
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.
Discipline weighs an ounce, regret weighs a ton.
When you're about to give up, remember why you started.
Hell is when you meet the person you could have been.
If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.
I love the remix of Alan Watts "high" points, and one of the many clips I've heard of him, in fact he's one of my idols, people whom I look up to and admire, who I aspire to be more alike, who I strive to have similar principle's and values akin too.
I've listened to all the clips I could find of him on Youtube, some as many as 10 + times, I like to put them on when relaxing and just have it in the background.
If you're more interested, that clip there is taken from a speech, and this one is cut down in 2 minutes.
I feel as if I'm getting a warm wind under me, almost as if I can fly when listening to him, I have also on several occasions gotten so emotional listening to him that I involuntarily have had tears coming down my cheeks. (It's so liberating and awesome having someone put in words what I have been thinking, feeling and awkwardly tried to tell people around me most of my life).
I went on a little rant here deliberately, his ending, you're suppose to dance along the way is the "key", highlight for me. Not the "musical" part.
Not really sure I had a purpose to all this, just showing my side a bit more, and as respectfully as I can, don't want to "win" or be right, or put you down or ridicule your opinion, rather acknowledge it, and say "Yo mate, that there iz pretty cool, here's my view"
xD
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Mariuslol   Norway. Feb 10 2012 13:42. Posts 4742
Now I'm trying to find the songs I had to show my Classical genius friend, since I spent ages learning a few basic songs on the piano, playing some chords, and listen to him for so much, he had to repay the favor and start listening more to songs I liked.
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TheHuHu3   United States. Feb 10 2012 14:04. Posts 5544
Loco gonna Loco.
TheHuHu4 coming soon :)
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Mariuslol   Norway. Feb 10 2012 14:04. Posts 4742
In this song you need to fast forward to 1 minute 55, it's weird, why would they hide such an awesome middle piece, and put crap at the start and end lol. + Show Spoiler +
A lot of people don't listen to this genre, and toss it away before giving it a shot, I've given this song to lots of mates, and usually the response is bad at first, then after awhile they come with a smile and change their mind, but I think that is because I make them feel guilty and force them to listen to it at least a few times. + Show Spoiler +
A small sample of songs I find beautiful, I picked them since they are really different in genre's, I feel a lot of people seem to pick one and stick by it religiously, usually because people around them, friends, or it was simply first "cool" things they saw/heard on TV, and they don't even know why they "love" it (thinking it was an intellectual choice, and not an emotional one), maybe had it affirmed to many times. (Going with their sense of certainty).
One of the reasons why I try to think extra about making choices, decisions etc, find out if " Is this what I really think...??"
On February 10 2012 05:53 Loco wrote: a stradivarius worth a few million dollars
On February 10 2012 05:53 Loco wrote:
What I am repulsed by are Philistines who are completely out of touch with the essence of life and are more interested in pursuing illusory, useless things like the acquisition of material goods
Why are you trying to strawman me?
"Bell came across the violin again and discovered it was about to be sold to a German industrialist to become part of a collection. According to the Joshua Bell website, Bell "was practically in tears."
Yeah, real Philistine. No difference between him wanting to acquire this item and the new iPhone to replace his old one.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
yea bach played on a violin that is so over valued ppl would rather spend 3.6 mil to have the ego boner to say "i bought a stradivarius" instead of donating that money to charity or something..."fuck the poor that r starving i'd rather own this old ass violin" putting that much value and prestige into a material good that doesnt produce any higher quality sound then violins that cost $30k. Which is still insane. Plus if u r going to talk music quality, listening in a crowded subway with shitty acoustics is hardly going to sound as good as a high quality recording through good speakers or a concert. Also no its not just me being ignorant of sound quality from that instrument ranting.
Above all, these instruments are famous for the quality of sound they produce. However, the many blind tests from 1817[8][9] to the present (as of 2012[10] ) have never found any difference in sound between Stradivari's violins and high-quality violins in comparable style of other makers and periods, nor has acoustic analysis.[11][12] In a particularly famous test on a BBC Radio 3 program in 1977, the violinists Isaac Stern and Pinchas Zukerman and the violin expert and dealer Charles Beare tried to distinguish between the "Chaconne" Stradivarius, a 1739 Guarneri del Gesú, an 1846 Vuillaume, and a 1976 British violin played behind a screen by a professional soloist. The two violinists were allowed to play all the instruments first. None of the listeners identified more than two of the four instruments. Two of the listeners identified the 20th-century violin as the Stradivarius.[13] Violinists and others have criticized these tests on various grounds such as that they are not double-blind (in most cases), the judges are often not experts, and the sounds of violins are hard to evaluate objectively and reproducibly.[12]
In a test in 2009, the British violinist Matthew Trusler played his 1711 Stradivarius, said to be worth two million U.S. dollars, and four modern violins made by the Swiss violin-maker Michael Rhonheimer. One of Rhonheimer's violins, made with wood that the Empa researcher Francis Schwarze had treated with fungi, received 90 of the 180 votes for the best tone, while the Stradivarius came in second with just 39 votes. The majority (113) of the listeners misidentified the winning violin as the Stradivarius.[14][15][16]
Why do you assume that this is an "ego-boner" purchase? You're not a musician of his caliber, you have no idea what it means for him to own a stradivarius. You can pull out a research on it but there's no way in hell you can even know how he feels playing it. So this is just a moralistic argument that no one should ever spend a lot of money on anything because they should feed the poor.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount