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D_smart_S   Bulgaria. Jan 24 2012 03:38. Posts 688


  On January 23 2012 17:54 NewbSaibot wrote:
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By this logic I should be allowed to own a nuclear weapon.

stunned

Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech 

devon06atX   Canada. Jan 24 2012 04:06. Posts 5458


  On January 24 2012 02:38 D_smart_S wrote:
stunned

You live stunned. Sadly, although I encourage your 'individual train of thought', you're so hooked on it that you absolutely refuse to embrace reality for the most part - and as such your views are, for the majority of the time, fucking retarded.

I still think you're 84offsuit or whatever his name was from the past


D_smart_S   Bulgaria. Jan 24 2012 04:24. Posts 688

so you share the idea that individuals=countries? Or that by "countries" I mean "individuals"?

I am actually Baal, but you were close.

Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech 

Baalim   Mexico. Jan 24 2012 04:46. Posts 34246


  On January 24 2012 02:29 devon06atX wrote:
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i'm not 100%, but I'm pretty sure this is incorrect. numbers wise that is.


why nitpick on the definition of "biggest", obviously soldier number wise China is bigger, but the american army is the most advanced, most powerful and fearsome army in the world.

What im trying to say is that the US does more damage to the world because of the huge unbalanced military powers than middle east with nukes would create.

Also you think middle eastern government as crazy and irresponsible so you are afraid of a random nuclear attack however, its unargable that the craziest government in the entire world is North Korea, and they still havent dared to use nuclear weapons, why? Because they are perfectly aware that if they do, their entire country would be a smoldering crater the next week, and Iran would do the same, except that it wouldnt be a target for invasion anymore as it is today.

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bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jan 24 2012 04:51. Posts 8646

wait so d smart really is baal?

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bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jan 24 2012 05:08. Posts 8646

omg how did i not see this hahaha

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Achoo   Canada. Jan 24 2012 05:40. Posts 1454


  On January 24 2012 03:24 D_smart_S wrote:
I am actually Baal, but you were close.



Odds are exactly 50%: it either happens or not 

n1ck   Bulgaria. Jan 24 2012 22:32. Posts 308

I would just like to point this cause I thought it might be helpful to OT: all the members of the NATO (including countries like Bulgaria, Luxembourg, Iceland, not only the US) share a certain amount of nuclear weapons for defense purposes and whether or not Iran and North Korea are to be allowed to posses some of their own is more of a question of their ongoing political rhetorics for the last decades than a question of morality.

No country that states "We want to wipe (place name of a country here) off the face of the Earth" should be allowed to posses nuclear arms.

The cruelest dream, reality.Last edit: 24/01/2012 22:45

Baalim   Mexico. Jan 24 2012 23:11. Posts 34246

No that idea is even more retarded, proliferation of nuclear weapons on the same alliance... why should nato have nukes and others dont?

You say that people who threaten to wipe countries out of earth shouldnt have nukes, what about countries who are actually wiping them and not just threatening like Israel and USA... your logic is absurd and doesnt change the status quo at all.. giving Iceland nukes changes absolutely nothing

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Baalim   Mexico. Jan 24 2012 23:15. Posts 34246

For example Israel just bombed facilities in Iran killing nuclear scientists that were working on normal nuclear power (not weapon grade)...just in case, do you think that a country that illegally bombs another to kill scientists should be allowed to have nuclear weapons?

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NMcNasty    United States. Jan 25 2012 02:15. Posts 2039

From the far left:
http://www.zcommunications.org/znet

From the far right:
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/

Analyzing the extremes should make for an interesting paper. I wouldn't use Ron Paul, his position is automatically libertarian on every issue. Even if you agree with his foreign policy views you won't find arguments from him that are any different than your regular joe.


SakiSaki    Sweden. Jan 25 2012 08:14. Posts 9685

what wackass site is this nigga?  

Stroggoz   New Zealand. Jan 27 2012 01:40. Posts 5291


  On January 24 2012 02:26 spets1 wrote:
Just use Chomsky for everything - most quoted person of our lifetime. The guy has brains and is really good at putting words together.



qft! If there was one man i would get my info from it would be him, i just read this article of his, it points out the big reason to intervene in the ME is to prevent democracy http://www.alternet.org/story/150697/...contours_of_global_order/?page=entire

One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beings 

NewbSaibot   United States. Jan 29 2012 22:29. Posts 4943

Hell yes we can tell Iran they cant have nukes, because there is still the fear that enough radical muslims exist in positions of power that they may disregard their own lives to assure destruction of yours. When one side does not fear death it changes the rules considerably. Mutually assured destruction only works so long as both parties desire to live. But with the present state of radical Islam there is simply too many people willing to die for their cause. You dont allow a country like Iran to have nuclear weapons any more than you would allow a serial killer pedophile to hang out in the park with a trenchcoat full of knives. Women's rights and freedom of expression are not cultural issues, they are inalienable rights which should be given to everyone no matter where you are from. When Iran joins the 21st century and proves they can behave rationally then they can be allowed to pursue whatever they want like the rest of the civilized world.

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Baalim   Mexico. Jan 29 2012 22:59. Posts 34246

You are an amazing idiot as usual, "when Iran behaves rationally they can puruse..." your country has raped the rest of the world for over 50 years for their personal gain, you have waged illegal wars, set up countless coup d'etats, are currently fighting two wars, one of them for 10 fucking years.

And im not thrilled about religious idiots having stronger weaponery, but if you really want to witness injustice and suffering in the world, simply concentrate the power in one country as it is today.


Also you didnt refute my argument that the craziest nation in the world (north korea) has nukes and havent done anything with them yet, yet you still claim that crazy ppl in power will use them even if they sacrifice their entire country, while there is no empirical evidence of this ever happening in any way before.

If as you said they would give away their lives and countries to destroy their enemies there would be no Israel and you would have a 9/11 every weekend

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NewbSaibot   United States. Jan 29 2012 23:35. Posts 4943

Saying the USA has raped the world with repeated wars is like saying the police are constantly killing people. The USA has never made an outright attempt to mass murder civilians and destroy a country simply because they dont like their neighbor. However that is exactly what Iran has threatened to do. No country that isnt already a piece of shit is actually afraid the US is going to attack them. Which country do you prefer having nukes, NK or the USA? NK has its issues, but as you mentioned earlier they are in no position to destroy themselves. You will not be finding 9/11 hijackers of NK descent, that is simply not their thing. However there is a sect of the muslim world which WOULD produce a 9/11 every day if given the means and opportunity. It's simply too risky to allow nukes to proliferate in that region of the world.

The United States is seen as a rational war mongerer. They have their own best interests at heart when causing shit, which is more than we can say for the middle east. Iran? Afghanistan? There are too many fucking lunatics who would crack the planet in half if they could and do so laughing hysterically all the way. It's like giving a handgun to a child. You just dont do it until they've proven themselves responsible enough to hold it.

bye nowLast edit: 29/01/2012 23:39

nerdonpoker   . Jan 30 2012 03:00. Posts 414

NewbSaibot America is the Fourth Reich.


D_smart_S   Bulgaria. Jan 30 2012 09:47. Posts 688


  On January 29 2012 22:35 NewbSaibot wrote:
Saying the USA has raped the world with repeated wars is like saying the police are constantly killing people. The USA has never made an outright attempt to mass murder civilians and destroy a country simply because they dont like their neighbor. However that is exactly what Iran has threatened to do. No country that isnt already a piece of shit is actually afraid the US is going to attack them. Which country do you prefer having nukes, NK or the USA? NK has its issues, but as you mentioned earlier they are in no position to destroy themselves. You will not be finding 9/11 hijackers of NK descent, that is simply not their thing. However there is a sect of the muslim world which WOULD produce a 9/11 every day if given the means and opportunity. It's simply too risky to allow nukes to proliferate in that region of the world.

The United States is seen as a rational war mongerer. They have their own best interests at heart when causing shit, which is more than we can say for the middle east. Iran? Afghanistan? There are too many fucking lunatics who would crack the planet in half if they could and do so laughing hysterically all the way. It's like giving a handgun to a child. You just dont do it until they've proven themselves responsible enough to hold it.



You are the kind of guy who gives too much credit to said and heard things and too little to done things. You think of Afghanistan, NK, Iraq and Iran as radical fanatical assholes. Would you please go back in time and pinpoint how you formed that opinion. Which wars exactly have made them radical and fanatical not caring about other people's lives? Yes, you are struggling to remember. Your answer would probably be "everybody knows muslims are fucking radical kamikadzes ready to die for 40 virgins." Let's compare the "civilized" nations like USA, England, France, Italy, Russia and Germany to the radical fanatics of the Middle East. England was one huge fucking Empire, having conquered countries in all parts of the world even as far as India. Everyone knows of the Roman Empire conquering foreign lands and how they treated their slaves and gladiators like animals. France - the crazy midget Napoleon wanting everything in the world. Germany - Hitler, genocide of unthinkable quantities, experimenting on humans like lab rats, trying to find his perfect Arian race. Russia - Lenin, Stalin. Great guys, right? USA - well, they probably have fought more wars than the number of years they've existed as a nation lol. Now let's compare this to the wars and cruelty of the fanatic Middle East. Not that I am some expert on Middle Eastern history but I am having difficulty thinking of anything even remotly comparable to the genocides and emperialistic attitudes of the Civilized Western Nations. Of course, there were local genocides in the Middle East too but the mere fact that it's something that most people wouldn't know or remember and at the same time having this opinion of them being fanatical careless monster should give rise to the question - how do we form our opinion?

Answer - News, TV shows, movies, talking to friends who have formed their opinion the same way and trying to be part of the group mentality, sharing the same views as to "we are the good guys, those are the crazy fanatic guys''.

I have not watched one Hollywood movie in which the Arabs are not portrayed as fanatic sheikhs seeking death to all that do not share their views. They are always the terrorists, always the bad guys. The comedy shows are full of such jokes so that we can take them and use them in real life, continuing the negative propaganda. And we watch those shows since little kids not realizing that we are being brainwashed into thinking that we are given real life perspective on how the world works. And when USA invades a Middle Eastern country all the brainwash kicks in and we don't give much of a fuck about the millions of innocent people who die because we label in our minds as "terrorists''.

Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speechLast edit: 30/01/2012 09:52

whamm!   Albania. Jan 30 2012 10:00. Posts 11625

I like USA but your government is shit. Continue to rule the world please but kill your leaders so the world will be cool again.


NewbSaibot   United States. Jan 30 2012 10:45. Posts 4943

Oh I'm not disputing that all major 1st world nations have been guilty of atrocities, but that was in the past. I wouldnt have given Germany/Spain/France/England/North America nuclear weapons 500 years ago either. The difference is we (the aforementioned nations) have grown since then and the rest of the world trusts us with these devices. The middle east is where we were back in the 1600's. If it werent for the dumb luck of living on top of the most important natural resource in the world they'd still be living in huts and riding animals to work. It'd be like allowing Zimbabwe to own nukes. They just arent ready for this level of responsibility yet. As long as women arent allowed to drive a car, or wear a bikini to the pool, or 2 people allowed to kiss in public, or someone allowed to decry Islam and claim belief in another god without fear of being imprisoned for the rest of their life, stoned to death, or worse, then they will not be trusted with weapons of mass destruction.

I'm sorry but this whole "every nation is equal, no nation is better than another" is garbage. The USA is better than Iran lol.

bye now 

 
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