Nl600 flopped flush

Submitted by : Joe

PokerStars Game #73512563904: Holdem No Limit ($3/$6 USD) - 2012/01/08 20:41:03 CET [2012/01/08 14:41:03 ET]
Table Kochera IV 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Bondar6 ($1868.55 in chips)
Seat 2: Mikeyy17 ($1708.90 in chips)
Seat 3: Phantomes124 ($1405 in chips)
Seat 4: 2PairWind ($615 in chips)
Seat 5: MarGee1 ($1211.20 in chips)
Seat 6: Joeik ($689 in chips)
Joeik: posts small blind $3
Bondar6: posts big blind $6
Bondar6: posts the ante $1.20
Mikeyy17: posts the ante $1.20
Phantomes124: posts the ante $1.20
2PairWind: posts the ante $1.20
MarGee1: posts the ante $1.20
Joeik: posts the ante $1.20

Holecards
Dealt to Joeik
Mikeyy17: folds
Phantomes124: folds
2PairWind: raises $12 to $18
MarGee1: folds
Joeik: calls $15
Bondar6: calls $12

Flop (Pot : $54.00)

   
Joeik: checks
Bondar6: checks
2PairWind: bets $42
Joeik: raises $60 to $102
Bondar6: calls $102
2PairWind: folds

Turn (Pot : $300.00)

   
Joeik: bets $156
Bondar6: calls $156

River (Pot : $612.00)

   
Joeik: ?

Isn't this just an auto shove or am I missing something?

What range do you give him after flop overcall?

It's bondar. just ship it. If he checks back trip kings or lower flush, that's pwned of the century.

yea i intentionally didnt include that he is a fish. I mean what to do here in general or vs a reg basically.

and more interestingly, if we have like 100-130% pot left.

On January 08 2012 13:50 Joe wrote: What range do you give him after flop overcall?

Stubbornness mainly

On January 08 2012 13:48 Maynard! wrote: Isn't this just an auto shove or am I missing something?

100-130 pot left still shove vs pretty much anyone, as it keeps growing it should eventually reach a bet/fold point but this certainly cant be it imho.

or wait are you asking about c/r for value? Im confused now ^^

Well I personally dislike your play.

as standard I don't think check/raise on this flop texture as SB vs button raise+BB is optimal. It's a flop where button will fire 100% or very high c-bet and specially with a mark on the BB, you wouldn't want to squeeze him out with your hand. Leading is the best play here. Even if BB isn't the mark, wind would need very strong hand to call your raise on the flop and give you more action on the turn.

Regarding the action on the river, I think c/f is SLIGHTLY better then betting if you think his range is only 44 88 and flushes. He has to be folding flushes some % of the time on the river to your bet.

oh wow I completely misread the flop action, sry :O

if BB isnt a fish i hate calling preflop here as well with your stacksize.

On January 08 2012 15:12 AndrewSong wrote: Well I personally dislike your play. as standard I don't think check/raise on this flop texture as SB vs button raise+BB is optimal. It's a flop where button will fire 100% or very high c-bet and specially with a mark on the BB, you wouldn't want to squeeze him out with your hand. Leading is the best play here. Even if BB isn't the mark, wind would need very strong hand to call your raise on the flop and give you more action on the turn. Regarding the action on the river, I think c/f is SLIGHTLY better then betting if you think his range is only 44 88 and flushes. He has to be folding flushes some % of the time on the river to your bet.

I agree with this, I hate check raising flop as a stanadrd, I'd like it with a hand like AdXx, I think river is close, prob a jam since its only 50% pot - although I'm crying here

On January 08 2012 15:24 nolan wrote: if BB isnt a fish i hate calling preflop here as well with your stacksize.

;-0 I flat here against almost 100% of opponents near 100% of the time

On January 08 2012 15:50 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On January 08 2012 15:24 nolan wrote: if BB isnt a fish i hate calling preflop here as well with your stacksize. ;-0 I flat here against almost 100% of opponents near 100% of the time

id be surprised if this shows a legitimate long term profit vs competent opponents.

how much would u guys lead flop with?

;-0

On January 08 2012 17:27 nolan wrote: Show nested quote + On January 08 2012 15:50 TalentedTom wrote:   On January 08 2012 15:24 nolan wrote: if BB isnt a fish i hate calling preflop here as well with your stacksize. ;-0 I flat here against almost 100% of opponents near 100% of the time id be surprised if this shows a legitimate long term profit vs competent opponents.

this comment amazes me, its a super clear +EV spot, I'd say the breakeven point would be like JTs OOP

On January 08 2012 17:53 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On January 08 2012 17:27 nolan wrote:   On January 08 2012 15:50 TalentedTom wrote:   On January 08 2012 15:24 nolan wrote: if BB isnt a fish i hate calling preflop here as well with your stacksize. ;-0 I flat here against almost 100% of opponents near 100% of the time id be surprised if this shows a legitimate long term profit vs competent opponents. this comment amazes me, its a super clear +EV spot, I'd say the breakeven point would be like JTs OOP

It shouldn't amaze you tom. It's not close to "super clear EV" spot. More like breakeven at best. If you think JTs is breakeven point, you have some preflop leak on your SB.