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pokraight   Korea (North). Jan 03 2012 04:57. Posts 136

Live game 1-2

Another table just broke, 2 new players (CO and dealer) arrive.

This is the 4th hand and first I play with these new guys at the table.

As soon as he sat down, CO called a 5 bet with 3 prev. callers with 8-4 offsuit and cracked SB's pocket kings 3 hands ago, won by showdown after calling 3 barrels with a backdoor 8 high flush draw on the river, no ace/gutshit on board. Dealer, also new, is asian and old. He can't speak french or english and must surely work in a chinese restaurant in china town, judging by his wontonsou pickahp odor. He seems like a complete fish, not only by how he plays but also by how he smells, also limped every 4bets and check/folded all past hands. I've just played vs SB for 4 hours straight, very bad player, doesn't bluff and limps in a lot, talks too much, gives me a ton of credit, always shows cards, very passive, 200$ down to me and I won all 5 showdowns vs him. I should be there waiting for him at the poker place, instead of typing this, that's how bad he is.

CO is 400$ deep
Dealer has 130$
SB has 170$
Hero has 670$ (wsup hoes)


CO raises to 12$
Dealer calls
SB calls
I raise to 50$

Everyone folds



I have aces, so my desire when I put 50$ (UH! impala!) was I want to get called or raised by 1 guy and isolate him. And Over-bet flop and profit. But after thinking about it, I knew these guys gave me a lot credit, maybe because I look like a fucking psycho when I bet (see Martin Stasko). Unlike the 2-5$ table which im used to play that's infested with drunk mexicans, I have to trick the donks here, because man, live play is easy, its just a matter of time investement, and spending 6 hours on a seat without internet porn just to make 400$, its mehh....(yes I watch porn while playing 12 tables). You can't really lose at live cash games, you just gotta get up to urinate your goddamn life every 2 hours, smell old people, get up to get beer, listen to the 9 poker coaches at your table, etc. and that's worst than losing money.

Bottom line, if I don't make fast money constantly at live poker, I'm a noob, even if I win 400$ after 6 hours. I have to vary my image, change my voice tone, change my behavior when I throw chips in, you know the very basic stuff.


I know if I quickly raise less than 50$(say 35$) with a virgin voice, provocative jewish hand motion when I put the chips in and look away from the peoples face, and scratch my nose, I will get called. After reflection, I thought isn't this what you normally want to do with aces? I know people say aces always get cracked, but what if I somehow go heads up with money in the pot, show a weak hand (could be 4bet bluff in position) and act like I missed every card on the board and play the comedy(aka quick and loud friendly check), the donk has to start betting/calling amounts relative to the pot that his stack cannot handle, there's no way a donk will fold a pot half his stack without trying to stab it, or call a weakish bet. Either top pair or draw will result in an all in, theres more than 100$ in the pot before first barrel, that's about what 2 of those 3 guys would have left in stack.



I'm trying to debate if it would be profitable to do a low 4-bet disguised as a bluff with the aces, slow play flop and turn and show no self confidence vs >100BB fishes, with the risk of being limped by up to 3 monkeys?


What if you get aces on a worse position? Say UTG+1,+2 full ring, do you call/raise blind?

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RoyCe 4otZ   United States. Jan 03 2012 14:08. Posts 147

Haha this is a dilemma I've been faced with recently. I think it's important to try and extract as much value as you possibly can from the hand and not even let the thought of "Aces always being cracked" cross your mind. Variance will be a lot more evident, but we're there to win money right? not make the safe move.

brown n blue, i feel good i just want to breathe.Last edit: 03/01/2012 14:14

jeffv8x_-_16   Belgium. Jan 03 2012 15:10. Posts 2835


  I'm trying to debate if it would be profitable to do a low 4-bet disguised as a bluff with the aces



I don't get what you're trying to say :S and there are more sentences like this that don't make any sense

how can u shove the river, he cant possibly call with worse -TalentedTom 

pokraight   Korea (North). Jan 03 2012 19:58. Posts 136


  On January 03 2012 14:10 jeffv8x_-_16 wrote:
I'm trying to debate if it would be profitable to do a low 4-bet disguised as a bluff with the aces




I'm saying if you do a jewish hand motion when betting, for instance, so you look like you're just trying to steal the pot preflop in position (BB) with a low 4bet with pocket aces, after 3 people called a 3bet.

Would you recommend it, or is it better to look confident and 4bet high (50$ instead of 35$) with AA and just end it there?

You'll look weak putting 35$, and the vilian(s) would call you with anything preflop, and you'll be mostly all in on almost every situation by the river, because vilian(s) will think you bluff and you're just trying to make them to fold.

I don't mind calling 100$ stacks all in on any streets, but the deep one (400$) could call with with any 2 cards and not put me on aces, so he'll bet thinking I don't have a good hand, and I'll be forced to call almost every bets he does without any infos on his range aside thats its huge...

 Last edit: 03/01/2012 19:58

edzwoo   United States. Jan 04 2012 00:00. Posts 5911

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edzwoo   United States. Jan 04 2012 00:04. Posts 5911

how about the confident high hand motion with the jewish 4bet?


pokraight   Korea (North). Jan 04 2012 05:37. Posts 136


  On January 03 2012 23:04 edzwoo wrote:
how about the confident high hand motion with the jewish 4bet?




Thanks for your advice, I just ordered five Yamaka on Ebay, will keep one in my glove box for those late night live actions.


pokraight   Korea (North). Jan 04 2012 05:55. Posts 136




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bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jan 04 2012 06:03. Posts 8649

haha awesome

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Puosu   . Jan 04 2012 16:10. Posts 28

wp dealer dealt himself pocket jokers so an intimidating 3bet bluff was the right move


 



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