FullTilt trying to have its play money client added to gaming platform Steam

Poker executives are finally starting to realize that e-gaming market has a ton of potential clients for poker market - it started with Twitch.TV, and now it's FullTilt that is going even deeper into the world of gamers: poker room officially applied to have their play money software version added on the Steam platform.

Steam is a digital distribution platform created by Valve Corporation. It offers multiplayer games for the PC, social media networking opportunities and quite few other things. With over 125,000,000 active users, there wasn't much to think about.

“We have submitted the Full Tilt software to the Steam Greenlight process because we want to introduce the game we love to a whole new market of players who already enjoy competition, strategy and online games.” Said a Full Tilt spokesperson. “We believe that poker is a fun, safe and competitive game that anyone can play, and that Steam is a great place to introduce poker to new audiences.”

So far Full Tilt’s play money client is only available on Steam Greenlight, which is somehow a beta-test platform, where users decided if the software deserves to be put on the main site.

Good idea

It's a good idea for full tilt but... this just feels dirty lol. Don't feel good about it.

steam takes like 30% of billions of dollars just for being an intermediary and ftp is dirty?

On October 13 2015 15:51 DooMeR wrote: It's a good idea for full tilt but... this just feels dirty lol. Don't feel good about it.

This.

On October 13 2015 16:59 Santafairy wrote: steam takes like 30% of billions of dollars just for being an intermediary and ftp is dirty?

the point i was making was. I dont feel good about this only because it seems like they are trying to isolate out a bigger market of young kids to get them while they are young. I dont really like introducing my friends to poker anymore. because i dont think its the best thing for a lot of people that might be attracted to it. Ignorance gets punished hard in the long run. So putting it up on steam when 14 year olds can play play money. Doesnt really sit well with me :|

On October 13 2015 19:30 ggplz wrote: Show nested quote + On October 13 2015 15:51 DooMeR wrote: It's a good idea for full tilt but... this just feels dirty lol. Don't feel good about it. This.

how come? because real money is involved and it's gambling and tons of kids use steam? yeah i guess...
edit: ahh i see doomer's post above

ugh i was thinking bout leaving FT for good and now its gonna be on steam ~_~

tbh tho FT's interface makes it feel like a video game more than any other site lol

On October 13 2015 22:28 DooMeR wrote: Show nested quote + On October 13 2015 16:59 Santafairy wrote: steam takes like 30% of billions of dollars just for being an intermediary and ftp is dirty? the point i was making was. I dont feel good about this only because it seems like they are trying to isolate out a bigger market of young kids to get them while they are young. I dont really like introducing my friends to poker anymore. because i dont think its the best thing for a lot of people that might be attracted to it. Ignorance gets punished hard in the long run. So putting it up on steam when 14 year olds can play play money. Doesnt really sit well with me :|

if you have a moral objection to the game it shouldn't be conditional

that market is full of people who shell out $60 to EA at the first sign of DLC, it's a more profitable industry than hollywood, but if that same money got spent in a form of recreation like gambling then it doesn't sit well?

and play money is 18+ as far as i know

On October 13 2015 15:51 DooMeR wrote: It's a good idea for full tilt but... this just feels dirty lol. Don't feel good about it.

Seriously? Who cares?

On October 13 2015 23:02 Santafairy wrote: Show nested quote + On October 13 2015 22:28 DooMeR wrote:   On October 13 2015 16:59 Santafairy wrote: steam takes like 30% of billions of dollars just for being an intermediary and ftp is dirty? the point i was making was. I dont feel good about this only because it seems like they are trying to isolate out a bigger market of young kids to get them while they are young. I dont really like introducing my friends to poker anymore. because i dont think its the best thing for a lot of people that might be attracted to it. Ignorance gets punished hard in the long run. So putting it up on steam when 14 year olds can play play money. Doesnt really sit well with me :| if you have a moral objection to the game it shouldn't be conditional that market is full of people who shell out $60 to EA at the first sign of DLC, it's a more profitable industry than hollywood, but if that same money got spent in a form of recreation like gambling then it doesn't sit well? and play money is 18+ as far as i know

That's my primary objection was it allowing anyone to play. If it's 18+ then I dnot really care. It's the intentional marketing to young kids. Then that annoys me.

On October 13 2015 23:02 Santafairy wrote: Show nested quote + On October 13 2015 22:28 DooMeR wrote:   On October 13 2015 16:59 Santafairy wrote: steam takes like 30% of billions of dollars just for being an intermediary and ftp is dirty? the point i was making was. I dont feel good about this only because it seems like they are trying to isolate out a bigger market of young kids to get them while they are young. I dont really like introducing my friends to poker anymore. because i dont think its the best thing for a lot of people that might be attracted to it. Ignorance gets punished hard in the long run. So putting it up on steam when 14 year olds can play play money. Doesnt really sit well with me :| if you have a moral objection to the game it shouldn't be conditional that market is full of people who shell out $60 to EA at the first sign of DLC, it's a more profitable industry than hollywood, but if that same money got spent in a form of recreation like gambling then it doesn't sit well? and play money is 18+ as far as i know

Why shouldn't it? Pretty obvious teenagers, kids or even young adults are more vulnerable to developing counter-productive, addictive and degenerate behaviours around gambling. The type of thinking that assumes everyone can handle gambling is egotistical and stupid. And you're saying 18+ like it's hard for kids to enter fake info? lol. A lot of people can't handle it as adults and act irrationally, nevermind developing young adults or teenagers. There's a difference also between buying a game for $60, enjoying it and being able to play it infinitely and burning through $60 gambling when they presumably transition to real money play and let's not kid ourselves here.. that's exactly what they want to happen. Perhaps they'll "like" the game so much they'll steal their parents credit card. Bringing all of that to steam is flat out evil and inappropriate.

On October 14 2015 02:05 lucky331 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 13 2015 15:51 DooMeR wrote: It's a good idea for full tilt but... this just feels dirty lol. Don't feel good about it. Seriously? Who cares?

At least 2 people here, gtfo.

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On October 14 2015 11:16 ggplz wrote: Show nested quote + On October 13 2015 23:02 Santafairy wrote:   On October 13 2015 22:28 DooMeR wrote:   On October 13 2015 16:59 Santafairy wrote: steam takes like 30% of billions of dollars just for being an intermediary and ftp is dirty? the point i was making was. I dont feel good about this only because it seems like they are trying to isolate out a bigger market of young kids to get them while they are young. I dont really like introducing my friends to poker anymore. because i dont think its the best thing for a lot of people that might be attracted to it. Ignorance gets punished hard in the long run. So putting it up on steam when 14 year olds can play play money. Doesnt really sit well with me :| if you have a moral objection to the game it shouldn't be conditional that market is full of people who shell out $60 to EA at the first sign of DLC, it's a more profitable industry than hollywood, but if that same money got spent in a form of recreation like gambling then it doesn't sit well? and play money is 18+ as far as i know Why shouldn't it? Pretty obvious teenagers, kids or even young adults are more vulnerable to developing counter-productive, addictive and degenerate behaviours around gambling. The type of thinking that assumes everyone can handle gambling is egotistical and stupid.

i mean kids smoke marijuana, we give them plastic toy guns from a young age and then they move up to paintball and airsoft. kids drink. kids simply do things. but candy cigarettes and play money chips are over the line i guess. and for you this means FTP can't put a client on steam for adults because a kid might find it who wouldn't have before? do you suppose there are more steam users below age 18 or above? just curious

also "young adult," i.e., adult. steam already sucks money from people who are arguably game and internet addicted - or wait that's different, because after you buy FIFA 2010 you can play it forever, whereas in gambling, nobody ever wins right. or wait, even though these people are adults, they can't be trusted with the freedom to spend money on their hobby if it's gambling. only if it's world of warcraft

it's true that not everyone can handle gambling. but it seems to me enormously hypocritical to suddenly have a problem with that now

On October 14 2015 11:16 ggplz wrote: And you're saying 18+ like it's hard for kids to enter fake info? lol. A lot of people can't handle it as adults and act irrationally, nevermind developing young adults or teenagers. There's a difference also between buying a game for $60, enjoying it and being able to play it infinitely and burning through $60 gambling when they presumably transition to real money play and let's not kid ourselves here.. that's exactly what they want to happen.

okay kids can enter fake info. this isn't contingent on whether the FTP play money client is on Steam. kids can also enter fake info anywhere whether that means watching porn or playing GTA V. when you were a kid you lied about your age on the internet i presume, but in the case of some hypothetical teenager bypassing the age restrictions to play poker with fake money, that's crossing the line? won't somebody think of the children?

i mean, kids can enter fake info, so shut down the internet

On October 14 2015 11:16 ggplz wrote: Perhaps they'll "like" the game so much they'll steal their parents credit card. Bringing all of that to steam is flat out evil and inappropriate.

because they couldn't steal their parents' credit card now to buy counter strike... a kid who steals their parents' credit card is not going to be doing that for very long in any context. to do it for online gambling they would probably get the shit beaten out of them

yes, FTP would clearly like some of the pie from the game industry. if an adult downloads the play money client, tests it out, sees how easy and intuitive the client is and how fun it is to play fast, downloads real money, and makes a deposit, then this is evil? because he downloaded it from steam instead of finding it for himself on the ftp website?!

how about bovada? they put their casino right next to the sports book? sucking a bunch of fish into hold'em? is that evil too, not everyone can gamble responsibly after all

On October 14 2015 09:07 DooMeR wrote: Show nested quote + On October 13 2015 23:02 Santafairy wrote:   On October 13 2015 22:28 DooMeR wrote:   On October 13 2015 16:59 Santafairy wrote: steam takes like 30% of billions of dollars just for being an intermediary and ftp is dirty? the point i was making was. I dont feel good about this only because it seems like they are trying to isolate out a bigger market of young kids to get them while they are young. I dont really like introducing my friends to poker anymore. because i dont think its the best thing for a lot of people that might be attracted to it. Ignorance gets punished hard in the long run. So putting it up on steam when 14 year olds can play play money. Doesnt really sit well with me :| if you have a moral objection to the game it shouldn't be conditional that market is full of people who shell out $60 to EA at the first sign of DLC, it's a more profitable industry than hollywood, but if that same money got spent in a form of recreation like gambling then it doesn't sit well? and play money is 18+ as far as i know That's my primary objection was it allowing anyone to play. If it's 18+ then I dnot really care. It's the intentional marketing to young kids. Then that annoys me.

i see your points but it is what it is...

i started playing online at like 15-16 under my Dad's info. kids will do what they want to do. i think there are far worse things we should be worried about rather than online poker

On October 14 2015 19:26 TimDawg wrote: Show nested quote + On October 14 2015 09:07 DooMeR wrote:   On October 13 2015 23:02 Santafairy wrote:   On October 13 2015 22:28 DooMeR wrote:   On October 13 2015 16:59 Santafairy wrote: steam takes like 30% of billions of dollars just for being an intermediary and ftp is dirty? the point i was making was. I dont feel good about this only because it seems like they are trying to isolate out a bigger market of young kids to get them while they are young. I dont really like introducing my friends to poker anymore. because i dont think its the best thing for a lot of people that might be attracted to it. Ignorance gets punished hard in the long run. So putting it up on steam when 14 year olds can play play money. Doesnt really sit well with me :| if you have a moral objection to the game it shouldn't be conditional that market is full of people who shell out $60 to EA at the first sign of DLC, it's a more profitable industry than hollywood, but if that same money got spent in a form of recreation like gambling then it doesn't sit well? and play money is 18+ as far as i know That's my primary objection was it allowing anyone to play. If it's 18+ then I dnot really care. It's the intentional marketing to young kids. Then that annoys me. i see your points but it is what it is... i started playing online at like 15-16 under my Dad's info. kids will do what they want to do. i think there are far worse things we should be worried about rather than online poker

my point exactly. u went on to devote your life to poker and even won a sunday million. u poor fuck. i hope other kids dont have to suffer like you have under piles of money.

I'm against it because they're looking to attract a lot of new players and steam is in my view a wholesome high value gaming environment. FTP being added there undermines that philosophy imo.

Kids do a lot of those things, mostly because they have no idea what they're doing and want to figure stuff out but they also think they have time to waste. A lot of that is solved socially, through forming good habbits and routines and through parents or good role models. That's why it's important to emphasise character development and gambling for play money is a really poor choice. Imo it should be kept seperate to FTPs site and not suggested or accepted as gaming in the sense of playing pc games. Gaming in this sense is actually gambling.

Not sure why you're accusing me of being hypocritical. Ideas and opinions are free flowing, evolving and constantly changing. Saying that I can't change my mind now about something I thought or did for years yesterday or that I can't reason or learn to express something I think perhaps we've all felt on some level for a long time is suppressive. I don't believe you had any idea how I think about this particular topic but if you had paid attention to older posts you would know I've thought this way for a long time.

Personally I think there's a big difference between someone seeking out and downloading FTP software from their site and installing it with 1 click on steam.

If I was a parent and a kid stole my credit card to buy a game I'd be disappointed in them of course but the game still has value at the end of the day. Violence is a realy bad idea. If a kid really gets hooked gambling and has taken their parents credit card things can go off the deep end really quickly. What could start at $60 could easily end up as way more. Sure, you can argue there's value in the opportunity to teach them a lesson about gambling too but it's not necessarily that easy.

I think advertising gambling in any way is morally wrong. If people feel they want to gamble then they know they can go to a casino or look for it online but to tempt people down a path attempting to lead them to dump money "for fun" isn't morally right in my book and statistically that's what they'll overwhelmingly do. Going to the worst case, addiction, financial issues and possibly desperation aren't forms of good entertainment for anyone reasonable.