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PartyPoker to shoot itself in the knee? Poker room on verge of banning HUDs?

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Garfed   Malta. Oct 06 2015 21:45. Posts 4818

Over last year or so most of the poker rooms are implement new rules and regulations that have one aim: to reduce the edge regular players have over recreational ones. Just last week PokerStars informed players about incoming limitations to 3rd party software, and now PartyPoker is taking all that one step too far: the poker room is about to make it impossible to use any HUD.

This is a release PartyPoker has officially sent out:
"Over the coming weeks, partypoker will go another step further with its Poker for the People campaign, making improvements to the poker platform to level the playing field for all poker players.

The ongoing development of sophisticated third party online poker tracking software such as HUDs, seating scripts and the sharing of hand history databases can impact new players and the recreational community who do not have this access. partypoker are committed to providing fair and ethical poker products to all poker players and therefore during the coming weeks, the following improvements to the software will be introduced:

Players will be able to view the last 12 months of their own hand histories within the Missions icon in the partypoker software, but hand histories will no longer be able to be downloaded and saved to their local devices
Players wishing to wait for a cash game will join the room-wide waiting list and be randomly seated when a seat that matches their preference becomes available
Players joining a cash game will see the names of their opponents only once their first hand is dealt."


First two changes are ok, but so far there has been a TON of negative feedback all over the internet regarding the complete ban of HUDs and downloading hand histories - without the ability to download those there is also no good measure to track your own statistics and results. This will literally kill regular players and reduce the number of games drastically - to the point where PartyPoker can have problems meeting guarantees.

Poker room have already made one huge mistake like this in the past, completely segregating new players from regular ones - a change that had such a negative impact on all games that it was reverted earlier this year. What do you think about the ban on HUDs?

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 Last edit: 07/10/2015 17:57

Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Oct 06 2015 22:13. Posts 9634

From what I've read about them, they've been shooting themselves in the knee ever since letting PS become the largest poker room anyway


MadeInPolanD   Poland. Oct 06 2015 22:18. Posts 1383

they run out of knees some time ago

Make it rain$$$Last edit: 06/10/2015 22:21

PuertoRican   United States. Oct 07 2015 01:15. Posts 13030

In the foot*

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/shoot+in+the+foot

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TimDawg    United States. Oct 07 2015 01:49. Posts 10197

I find it amusing that sites making these changes say it is about the integrity of the game and protecting the recreational player.

It's all bullshit. At the end of the day, they only worry and care about their bottom line. When the edges are smaller, the sites' bottom line increases. Any changes they make to decrease edges is not done for the morality of the game, it's all about that moola for their own personal benefit.

Hopefully they crash and burn. I think they will with this business model.

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Santafairy   Korea (South). Oct 07 2015 04:24. Posts 2224

they'll never go under so long as "party" is in their name

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

traxamillion   United States. Oct 07 2015 04:30. Posts 10468

Not being able to dl hand histories to study and import off the table can be a problem but I understand and don't mind it.

All you guys complaining about huds I don't get it. If NOONE can use it where is your disadvantage? Just be the better hudless player.

I haven't used a hud in a long time and vastly prefer it as long as my opponent cannot use one vs me. Increases my edge significantly.

A lot of unintelligent slow people are able to play above their natural talent level with the heavy use of HUDS and software.

The people I see bitching must just feel naked without it or something and have become dependent on it. No longer is a HUD something extra it is a crutch.


fira   United States. Oct 07 2015 07:40. Posts 6345

just be your own HUD!

"villain preflop raise from button frequency: 622/1397" bam!

that's all a HUD is really, a way to make things like this easier to record. you could probably program your own hud if you don't mind entering stats into it while playing (or even after playing)

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PoorUser    United States. Oct 07 2015 09:04. Posts 7471

wsop nv has no text hhs/hud and its awesome

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Nazgul    Netherlands. Oct 07 2015 11:25. Posts 7080

Considering just about every winning poker uses HUDs nowadays it is much better if none do. If they have the technical ability to do this I have no idea why they didn't do it a long time ago.

You almost twin-caracked his AK - JonnyCosmoLast edit: 07/10/2015 11:25

AndrewSong    United States. Oct 07 2015 12:05. Posts 2355

Problem is that this will hurt the honest players that follow by the rule. Data mining businesses will still mine using screen scraping and same goes for the HUD. Unfortunately, only way to get rid of HUD is going anonymous.


ggplz   Sweden. Oct 07 2015 13:49. Posts 16784

Well, not sure why OP is so biased, this is a good thing as long as they can prevent everyone from using them. I do think pokerstars approach of limiting hud function and other 3rd party programs is better though as it's more likely to be accepted by all.

if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhANLast edit: 07/10/2015 14:25

punix   Germany. Oct 07 2015 16:01. Posts 406


  On October 07 2015 12:49 ggplz wrote:
Well, not sure why OP is so biased, this is a good thing as long as they can prevent everyone from using them. I do think pokerstars approach of limiting hud function and other 3rd party programs is better though as it's more likely to be accepted by all.



I also wondered why OP was so biased towards that this is a bad decision as in ppl mentioned veery often in the past that getting rid of all HUDs wouldnt be the worst thing. But I guess OP has some business with PS going.


dogmeat   Czech Republic. Oct 07 2015 17:31. Posts 6374

i love my hud, we are going to have a baby soon

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Garfed   Malta. Oct 07 2015 17:53. Posts 4818


  On October 07 2015 12:49 ggplz wrote:
Well, not sure why OP is so biased, this is a good thing as long as they can prevent everyone from using them. I do think pokerstars approach of limiting hud function and other 3rd party programs is better though as it's more likely to be accepted by all.



I completetly agree with approach that PokerStars is taking, though I think PartyPokers idea is terrible - by limiting downloading hands you are making it impossible for players to develop, learn and even track own statistics (am I supposed to write down cashier stats after every session now?), and this should not happen. I'm all against seating scripts and what not, but having a HUD (even with basic stats) should be possible. Or screw that, they can ban HUDs, but having access to downloadable hand histories is a MUST.

Just to make sure we all get it here: PartyPoker is not banning HUDs - they are only making them close to impossible to use.

Also, I'm 100% sure this decision will change nothing - reg players who treat poker as their job will just buy subscriptions on site that offers grabbed hand histories and that only makes more problems: it raises the gap between them and honest regs even more plus puts profit into shady sites.

Example? Heads-up scene @ PokerStars. Did the PokerTableRatings ban few years ago change anything? Yeah, only the fact that it's a bit harder (and more expensive) to have access to same information as previously, since now you have to buy hand histories + pay for the russian PTR-a-like.

 Last edit: 07/10/2015 17:57

morph1   Sierra Leone. Oct 07 2015 19:29. Posts 2352

IDK changes like this are not that bad as they look, as softest games are on either anonymous sites or ones that give option to change your screen name

UNIBET's games really improved but they went even further by removing hand histories, allowing screen name changes and making more interesting reward program

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dnagardi   Hungary. Oct 07 2015 20:00. Posts 1776

yea as long as they dont change to anonymus there will be huds and 3rd party programs


ggplz   Sweden. Oct 08 2015 00:36. Posts 16784

Yea u have some good points defrag, it's not a perfect solution and as you said ppl will probably get around it doing shady shit. I would really like regular name changes to become a thing on PS.
Personally I don't mind anonymous tables, it's not my favourite though because I dislike the implementation on the sites I've tried them where if e.g. "anon 1" leaves the table and another sits in his spot, it's easy to miss it and assume it's still "anon 1" when it's actually someone else. It's fine if they're anonymous and if they leave/rejoin I don't care.. but I'd like to know clearly it's another anon.

if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhANLast edit: 08/10/2015 01:26

VanDerMeyde   Norway. Oct 08 2015 01:30. Posts 5108

Party doing whatever they want Should be used to it by now

:DLast edit: 08/10/2015 01:57

Ryan Neilly   United States. Oct 08 2015 01:31. Posts 1631

i think its agood thing and a way to differentiate themselves from stars to be able to maintain a decent sized playerbase. This will also kinda make PartyPoker like little league and easy and free $ n stars will have everything so who cares.


 



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