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Garfed   Malta. Jun 28 2015 01:02. Posts 4818

After a recent controversy erupted over Skier_5s program that allowed players to play near-perfect preflop game without having to make almost any decision themselves (besides clicking buttons to take the action recommended by the program) PokerStars decided to share their thoughts on proposed changes to the terms and conditions regarding the 3rd party software on the poker room.

The changes would affect a huge number of already existing software, making it illegal to use the following program (this isn't a complete list) :
• SessionLord’s Preflop Chart
• Holy Grail of Poker
• Poker Academy
• HEM2’s LeakBuster
• FlopZilla
• Odds Oracle
• PokerStove
• NoteCaddy as is would require changes. It is permissible for HUDs to filter / drill down via street, but not by action facing or hole card / communicate card values.
• PT4’s Leak Tracker

Steve, a PokerStars representative, explained full changes on 2p2 forum:


    "As evidenced by recent forum discussion, the topic of third-party software in online poker is a highly complex and contentious issue. As new software is developed, we must keep our rules enforcement up to date and also consider when rules need to be changed.

    A developer recently shared new software with us for evaluation and we informed him that the software was allowable. The decision was based around the premise that static reference material that does not change depending on action in the hand, or any other variable, is permitted. This rule was initially designed some years ago so that Nash charts and other similar documents would be permitted to be referenced while playing.

    The software we reviewed allows quick and precise reference to a very large number of static charts that cover most or all preflop situations. While within our current rules, this software goes beyond the level of assistance we want to see software providing players in our online poker room.

    As a result, we are strongly considering changing our current policies (https://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/prohibited/ ) to the following:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by New PokerStars Rule Proposal
    Q. In general, what kind of tools and services are acceptable?

    A. The following types of tools and services are generally acceptable:
    1. Tools and services that simply report basic game state information, such as pot odds or absolute hand strength.
    2. Tools and services that are static reference material and basic in nature, such as a single table-based starting hand chart.
    3. Tools and services that profile your opponents, but make use of only information which you have accumulated through your own play.
    4. Macros and Hotkey programs that don’t have any bearing on gameplay logic. For example, you can use AutoHotKey, MacroExpress or AutoIt3 to make it such that you ‘bet the pot’ when you press the 'P' key, but you cannot use these or other utilities to create an autofolder that folds poor starting hands, or that automates advice or actions from any other tool or service.

    Q. In general, what kinds of tools and services are prohibited at all times?

    A. The following types of tools and services are prohibited at all times:
    1. Any tool or service that shares hole card data with other players or services is colluding, and is prohibited.
    ______i. Hosting live streams on Twitch and other similar services is not considered as sharing hole card data.
    2. Any tool or service that works off of a central database of player profiles, hands played or private results is prohibited.
    3. Any tool or service that plays without human intervention (a ‘bot’) or reduces the requirement of a human playing. For instance, an ‘auto-folder’ is prohibited.
    4. The practice of datamining (observing games without playing in order to build up a database of hand histories for future reference) is prohibited.
    5. Any tool or service that offers real-time commentary or advice on the current game state that goes beyond reporting data and statistics.

    Q. In general, what kinds of tools and services are prohibited only whilst the client is open?

    A. The following types of tools and services are prohibited only whilst the client is open:
    1. Any tool or reference material that offers commentary or advice that goes beyond a basic level, such as stack-size-based starting hand tables, decision trees or heads-up displays that dynamically change based on player action or card values.
    2. Any tool or service that computes advanced equity calculations, such as range vs range simulators, ICM or Nash Equilibrium-based programs.
    If these changes are implemented, the recently reviewed software in question would no longer be allowed to be used while the client is open. The rule that would affect this software is identified by italics."


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 Last edit: 28/06/2015 17:21

GoTuNk   Chile. Jun 28 2015 01:07. Posts 2860

holy shit


ClouD87   Italy. Jun 28 2015 01:49. Posts 524

Damn, Flopzilla is so useful for checking ranges with weights in game

 Last edit: 28/06/2015 01:51

NewbSaibot   United States. Jun 28 2015 02:37. Posts 4943

Why should PokerStove be banned, you could do the math in your head. I mean thats the argument behind HEM isnt it? You could bring a notebook to the table and record everyone's actions?

bye now 

PoorUser    United States. Jun 28 2015 03:07. Posts 7471

ban it alllllllll

Gambler Emeritus 

JohnnyBologna   United States. Jun 28 2015 03:38. Posts 1401


  On June 28 2015 02:07 PoorUser wrote:
ban it alllllllll



Ultimately i believe this is the best course to preserve the integrity of the game. Will make the fight against bots easier as well i would imagine.

Just do whats right 

traxamillion   United States. Jun 28 2015 04:12. Posts 10468

Ban everything plZ


NewbSaibot   United States. Jun 28 2015 04:48. Posts 4943


  On June 28 2015 02:38 JohnnyBologna wrote:
Show nested quote +



Ultimately i believe this is the best course to preserve the integrity of the game. Will make the fight against bots easier as well i would imagine.
Bots are already against the rules, so how is banning other software going to have any impact on them? Unless you mean they should design the client in such a manner that no software can function with it.

bye now 

DragOn_   Canada. Jun 28 2015 04:56. Posts 214

how would they be able to implement not having flopzilla or equilab open?


Trav94   Canada. Jun 28 2015 07:41. Posts 1785

Damn. Flopzilla and equilab such a huge part of my game.


spugru   Finland. Jun 28 2015 09:40. Posts 187

This is great. I'd like to see HUDs banned as well.

play your position small soldier 

dogmeat   Czech Republic. Jun 28 2015 10:04. Posts 6374

if you have time to check flopzilla ranges in-game, you are simply not playing enough tables

ban baal 

VanDerMeyde   Norway. Jun 28 2015 12:22. Posts 5108

Thank you pokerstars

Fuck all these maphack BS programs

:D 

ggplz   Sweden. Jun 28 2015 12:54. Posts 16784

if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN 

Floofy   Canada. Jun 28 2015 14:20. Posts 8708

The problem with those bans is, its incredibly easy to have like, a second laptop next to you, and use it anyway

james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;( 

drone666   Brasil. Jun 28 2015 17:41. Posts 1821


  On June 28 2015 11:22 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Thank you pokerstars

Fuck all these maphack BS programs



you sir, at the biggest butthurt from this site

Dont listen to anything I say 

punix   Germany. Jun 28 2015 17:58. Posts 406

how should that be possible at any times?? how can u detect LeakBuster apart from HEM or the NoteCaddy addin.
Imo you can only detect that a player uses HEM but how the hell can u find out that player uses HEM+NoteCaddy ? (as it is build into the program)
Or LeakBuster which you can use afterwards to analyze your hands.
I dont think this is doable on a observer detection lvl.
So it will be all in or fold (ban all or nuffin) but I could be wrong as I have no idea about hacking/detecting/anti-cheat at all
maybe some1 give us more insight into how detection of plugins within a programm should work?


casinocasino   Canada. Jun 28 2015 19:34. Posts 3343

I agree, might as well ban it all, what purpose does it serve to allow HM?


k4ir0s   Canada. Jun 28 2015 20:15. Posts 3476

Pokerstove? lol

Let's see if they follow through with this. Aren't seat script programs still being used? because ps mentioned before that they're working on preventive measures to discourage scripts, but many ppl still use them.

I dont know what a dt drop is. Is it a wrestling move? -OlyLast edit: 28/06/2015 20:19

NewbSaibot   United States. Jun 28 2015 20:16. Posts 4943


  On June 28 2015 16:58 punix wrote:
how should that be possible at any times?? how can u detect LeakBuster apart from HEM or the NoteCaddy addin.
Imo you can only detect that a player uses HEM but how the hell can u find out that player uses HEM+NoteCaddy ? (as it is build into the program)
Or LeakBuster which you can use afterwards to analyze your hands.
I dont think this is doable on a observer detection lvl.
So it will be all in or fold (ban all or nuffin) but I could be wrong as I have no idea about hacking/detecting/anti-cheat at all
maybe some1 give us more insight into how detection of plugins within a programm should work?



Pokerstars uses pretty invasive system scanning utilities. Pretty sure I've read that they actually full blown scan system software, installation packages, known files and registry keys, etc etc etc. At least I remember there being a big hooplah about this years ago and how deeply they look at your system. Or it may have just been in the EULA granting them this access whether they actually used it or not.

bye nowLast edit: 28/06/2015 20:17

 
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