you had many outs after turn , you've done it mathematical correct

Hes reraise on turn was far too weak, right?

On November 21 2005 15:36 pinbaLL wrote: Hes reraise on turn was far too weak, right?

i think no , he didnt expect 3rd flush card on the board as river , it was mistake

If he held like he said and there was 1 card to go the odds for you to hit your flush or straight are still only 29%

I would have went all inn with Set of queen on the river. instead of make that re raise.. Make it more hard for you to call. Since ive would suspect a drawing hand with that table. There are so many cards that could have beaten his hand. So if i played as him would push all inn instead of makeing a medium re raise

dont like either of ur play
pf call is horrible
he should have pushed turn 100% unless he thought u would bluff on a blank river

agreed with frozzor, but congrads on the nice pot

i think if reggie has AA or KK instead of QQ most of you would look at this hand differently. i dont think raszi would check/raise the turn to fake a set if he knew reggie had one. i think think this play is good because he will get a fold from his reraise enough times and hes still going to be able to hit the river almost 1/3 times and probably be able to bluff out the other guy at least 1/2 the times he doesnt
thats how i see it at least

I will never put a good opponent on a flush draw there, and would have reraised the turn similar to what Reggie did. Him holding a flush draw is very rare, say maybe it happens in 10% of the cases when you replay this hand from Reggies perspective. What is more likely is that Raszi is holding a lower set, which he could most definitely fold to a push. You want to draw him in, make him put in the final bet with his lower set. $2200 pot is huge on 3/6 and Reggie is trying to maximize the pot as much as possible.

and J9c preflop calling is okay as long as you know how to play it out, you'll see alot of good players on the higher limits play hands such as this. Look at Hallingol for example. He makes so many technically incorrect calls, but it's all justified by his ability to play his opponent the right way.

I did not state that it was a flush draw. But there are two draws on the table. And these draws often hit. So when i would have hitted nutts with the queen on the turn i would be happy with the large pot.And would not risk anymore cards for raszi. Because trips is not all that good. So why he did not just re raise all inn with his trips makeing it hard for raszi to call, i dont see how this would be a wrong play. Worst happen was Raszi folding which still gives him a nice pot. And Raszi could have AA KK so if river came either a club a king an ace or any of the cards giving him a straight im tired now so i dont bother counting but so many cards giving Raszi live outs. I would be please with ending it on the turn takeing the pot in safe.

On November 21 2005 17:41 Music86 wrote: I did not state that it was a flush draw. But there are two draws on the table. And these draws often hit. So when i would have hitted nutts with the queen on the turn i would be happy with the large pot.And would not risk anymore cards for raszi. Because trips is not all that good. So why he did not just re raise all inn with his trips makeing it hard for raszi to call, i dont see how this would be a wrong play. Worst happen was Raszi folding which still gives him a nice pot. And Raszi could have AA KK so if river came either a club a king an ace or any of the cards giving him a straight im tired now so i dont bother counting but so many cards giving Raszi live outs. I would be please with ending it on the turn takeing the pot in safe.

We're not talking penny tables here. You're playing a good opponent and will actually put him on an open ended? Be realistic. Besides that it seems like you're playing too afraid. You must want to win the maximum at all times, as long as you do it the right way.

On November 21 2005 17:41 Music86 wrote: Worst happen was Raszi folding which still gives him a nice pot. .

Good poker players want more than just nice pots. They want to win as much as they possibly can get on every hand they are ahead. Maximize profits, minimize losses.

turn pot 800
allin EV 800

if he raises 300,
he loses 1500 33%
wins 1100 67%
EV 240

now assume raszi's hand range is set 50% j9c 50% and is capable of folding 50% on the turn but not on river wih a set.
Allin EV = 800(.75) + 1500(.25) = 975
reraise EV= 1100(2/6) - 1500(1/6) + 1500(.5) = 866

still allin is +EV
unless raszi is amazingly good at folding sets, he should probably push

you're completely ignoring the human side of poker; reads

gonna put him on J9c 50% of the time? that's odd to say the least.

I said it before and I'll say it again. I will never, ever push my QQ there. I will try to maximize the pot as much as possible and risk losing to the rarity of him having a flush draw.

I understand were you are comming from nazgul. And you are most certainly right. As i said before im not as experienced as a lot of people on this site. I just post what i would have done. Not saying that its the correct thing to do. I would have played that pot that way. A lot of players like to mix up theire play so you can never be 100% sure. And as i said i would have put him on AA or KK but why let him see the river then. He can get an over sett. So i feel pushing all inn there would be good for reggie. Why not he got the nutts on the turn. But hey im here to learn. So im just glad we can discuss our thoughts on these hands

and u narrow ur reads too much
that was just a sample range but id argue vs raszis true hand range and set folding capabilities, push EV > raise to 300 EV

Hehe i feel i think this way since im broke as a joke and im sure you got tons of money earned from poker. So you afford to play that way. Hope to get up there self one day

If you think he has AA you most definitely want him to call. He has two outs that means he's going to take this pot in less than 5% of the cases from you.

very nice play raszi