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Handnr: 1058795
Submitted by : drone666

PokerStars Hand #137710994016: Holdem No Limit ($1/$2 USD) - 2015/07/07 4:10:49 ET
Table Antinous II 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($535.20 in chips)
Seat 2: AlexJrS ($794.24 in chips)
AlexJrS: posts small blind $1
Hero: posts big blind $2

Holecards
Dealt to Hero 7sKs
AlexJrS: raises $4 to $6
Hero: calls $4

Flop (Pot : $12.00)

   3s5s6s
Hero: checks
AlexJrS: bets $8
Hero: calls $8

Turn (Pot : $28.00)

   3s5s6s4d
Hero: checks
AlexJrS: bets $20
Hero: raises $48.60 to $68.60
AlexJrS: calls $48.60

River (Pot : $165.20)

   3s5s6s4d5c
Hero: bets $118.58
AlexJrS: raises $593.06 to $711.64 and is all-in
Hero ??

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the cleaner   Germany. Oct 07 2015 16:11. Posts 3014

I guess you can't call, unless you have a sick read that he is capable of bluffing you off a flush here, since your cards are kind of face up, but he can represent full house+

anyways my opinion is that of a 6max nit : )

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there are no facts only interpretationsLast edit: 07/10/2015 16:13

Artanis[Xp]   Netherlands. Oct 07 2015 16:42. Posts 4697

Heavily opponent dependant imo. Plenty he could turn into a bluff here.


traxamillion   United States. Oct 07 2015 20:02. Posts 10468

Bluff is certainly solid in theory here, I usually get called when I run it though since people hate folding when they are capped.

Since you can't have boats (or very likely don't) when raising the turn I feel like a lot of players will try to exploit you on the riv when you bet.

Betting to induce a bluff may actually be pretty rape here. If you check river since this is a bad card for your range villain may likely pick up on this; realize you are probably check calling a flush, and give up. If you bet on the other hand he may take his AdAs and rip it in figuring he puts you in this trash spot that gets posted to forums

 Last edit: 08/10/2015 07:57

traxamillion   United States. Oct 07 2015 20:04. Posts 10468

In PLO you would be a lot more protected from getting bluffed on river here since it would be possible for you to both have a flush and improve on the river.


Smuft   Canada. Oct 07 2015 22:36. Posts 633

easy call

most sets/2pair X back on the turn and he has 1million combos of naked As to bluff with

if you lose here it's to Axss most of the time, then straight flushes/boats

would only fold here w/ a nit read

 Last edit: 07/10/2015 22:37

Daut    United States. Oct 07 2015 23:03. Posts 8955


  On October 07 2015 21:36 Smuft wrote:
easy call

most sets/2pair X back on the turn and he has 1million combos of naked As to bluff with

if you lose here it's to Axss most of the time, then straight flushes/boats

would only fold here w/ a nit read



Disagree with the bolded. Why check in position super deep with a hand that has outs when beat but is facing a range including mostly hands with a naked spade? Agree with rest and still think it is a call, but don't think bet would be that unlikely for a set or even 2 pair (although 2 pair might be more likely to check or to fold vs a raise).

And always, don't forget about 42ss. Not a big shift in EV, but it is definitely possible he bets it on the flop in position this deep.

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, DautLast edit: 07/10/2015 23:05

Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Oct 07 2015 23:14. Posts 9634

Why are we leading river if we dont know what to do when he shoves though


drone666   Brasil. Oct 08 2015 02:35. Posts 1821


  On October 07 2015 22:14 Spitfiree wrote:
Why are we leading river if we dont know what to do when he shoves though



thats not a reason to not bet

Dont listen to anything I say 

drone666   Brasil. Oct 08 2015 02:37. Posts 1821


  On October 07 2015 21:36 Smuft wrote:
easy call

most sets/2pair X back on the turn and he has 1million combos of naked As to bluff with

if you lose here it's to Axss most of the time, then straight flushes/boats

would only fold here w/ a nit read



dont think its an easy call this deep...

but I still think it's a call, but weird spot, I dont know if he's "smart" enough to shove nut flush here knowing I never have a fullhouse and I can still have 2 straight flushes

Dont listen to anything I sayLast edit: 08/10/2015 02:38

bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Oct 08 2015 04:00. Posts 8646


  On October 07 2015 22:14 Spitfiree wrote:
Why are we leading river if we dont know what to do when he shoves though



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traxamillion   United States. Oct 08 2015 05:44. Posts 10468

I feel like this guy would jam his NF on river unless he is pretty nitty/bad

result drone, you fold?

 Last edit: 08/10/2015 05:44

TimDawg    United States. Oct 08 2015 07:03. Posts 10197

I agree with Smuft. I don't think many players at 1/2 typically will barrel turn with sets/2prs in this spot, so it's Axss, straight flushes, dry Asx, and random 1 pr hands he turns into a bluff. I would call and feel pretty good about it

Also this hasn't been discussed yet but I'm not really a fan of your turn C/R. I would start by C/R'ing flop or just continue to call down on turn and prob go for a C/R on most rivers

online bob is actually a pretty smart person, not at all like the creepy fucker that sits in the sofa telling me he does nasty shit to me when im asleep - pinball 

fira   United States. Oct 08 2015 09:21. Posts 6345


  On October 08 2015 06:03 TimDawg wrote:
Also this hasn't been discussed yet but I'm not really a fan of your turn C/R. I would start by C/R'ing flop or just continue to call down on turn and prob go for a C/R on most rivers


what i was going to say! check/raising turn while deep means capping your range and getting into trouble spots like this when such a river hits.


Artanis[Xp]   Netherlands. Oct 08 2015 10:53. Posts 4697


  On October 08 2015 06:03 TimDawg wrote:
Also this hasn't been discussed yet but I'm not really a fan of your turn C/R. I would start by C/R'ing flop or just continue to call down on turn and prob go for a C/R on most rivers


I am a big fan of this post.


AndrewSong    United States. Oct 08 2015 11:32. Posts 2355

raise is fine on the turn, our hand is way too good to just call for sake of balance. you still gotta punish them for betting 2p/sets, As, etc. It opens up room for them to get stubborn and make a huge mistake for their entire stack.

having capped range on paired river isn't necessarily bad long as you don't fold after betting. it might just be the river that makes him punt rest of his stacks which is probably what smuft meant by easy call.


 

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