Wow. Care to explain river raise vs call thought process?

dont understand too, all nines, draws and overpairs bet the turn so his bet is either nothing or a 5

thin value obv

he should fold most 5x
the A5 is a call, so its std

On April 08 2015 15:51 seemendaja wrote: Wow. Care to explain river raise vs call thought process?

im not really sure about my play, I think 67 is a better hand to bluff and overall not a great strategy to try to make people to fold trips lol
I think he can take this line with overpairs A9 and maybe K9 some % of the time, I think he doesnt bet these 100% of the time OTT

I think hes going to attack this river a lot, hes smart enough to know he can perfectly rep the 5 that bet the flop with oesdraws and gutshots and checked back the turn with showdown value, he cant really have full houses and straights much and I have all my slowplayed on this river, since I expect him to attack ( and have ) the 5 often

I said im not sure about my play because my hand is strong enough to call on the river giving his polarized range and my blockers are not that good ( I block 99, 95 86 but I dont expect him to check these hands much OTT ) but I need to have a bluffing range there and thought it was a good way to measure my frequency by best blockers, even if they are useless, just to make sure im not overbluffing the spot

Why should he fold most 5x but not A5. It seems to me that you are polarized to such an extent that all 5s are basically the same to him and more or less bluffcatching. Maybe with A5 he catches you value cutting yourself with a worse 5 but this happens very seldom because you have very few 5s in your range after c/c flop and you may not make this size raise with 45dd. Doubt if you are over bluffing this spot most people don't.

I doubt he was thrilled making this call he has to expect to lose pretty often. I guess not more than 2/3rds of the time or whatever is necessary tho

On April 09 2015 01:22 traxamillion wrote: Why should he fold most 5x but not A5. It seems to me that you are polarized to such an extent that all 5s are basically the same to him and more or less bluffcatching. Maybe with A5 he catches you value cutting yourself with a worse 5 but this happens very seldom because you have very few 5s in your range after c/c flop and you may not make this size raise with 45dd. Doubt if you are over bluffing this spot most people don't. I doubt he was thrilled making this call he has to expect to lose pretty often. I guess not more than 2/3rds of the time or whatever is necessary tho

what makes you think I dont have A5 ? I call flop with 45,65,85,A5, I barely have x/r flop range nowadays, but he shouldnt expect me to x/shove with this size, althought he doesnt know if Im capable of such spazz
I asked him if he expect me to valuebet with 5x there, because he snap called the A5 and I was a bit surprise, he said prob not with this size but hes not sure

just because all the 5x have the same hand strenght that he should call with all, if hes calling with all the 5x hes calling too much because a big portion of his bluffcatching range is going to be 5x, in fact I do not x/shove with 5x, my value range there is full houses and straights

in practice all this doesnt matter, if hes overcalling, overfolding or whatever because I dont know, my only concern should be to have a balanced value:bluff ratio on the spot, especially because hes capped from straights and full houses and Im not