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Handnr: 1049228
Submitted by : DragOn_

PokerStars Zoom Hand #129760748870: Holdem No Limit ($0.08/$0.16) - 2015/02/01 20:10:24 MT [2015/02/01 22:10:24 ET]
Table Amundsen 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Cathulos ($16 in chips)
Seat 2: gfdangui ($37.69 in chips)
Seat 3: Griff_nick ($9.10 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero ($62.71 in chips)
Seat 5: greentiger3 ($12.82 in chips)
Seat 6: Alex_Djeikab ($58.40 in chips)
gfdangui: posts small blind $0.08
Griff_nick: posts big blind $0.16

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero AhAc
Hero: raises $0.32 to $0.48
greentiger3: folds
Alex_Djeikab: raises $0.64 to $1.12
Cathulos: folds
gfdangui: folds
Griff_nick: folds
Hero: raises $2.48 to $3.60
Alex_Djeikab: calls $2.48

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $7.44)

   9h2s9d
Hero: bets $4.97
Alex_Djeikab: calls $4.97

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $17.38)

   9h2s9dTd
Hero: bets $9.96
Alex_Djeikab: raises $9.96 to $19.92
Hero: calls $9.96

River (Pot : $57.22)

   9h2s9dTdJc
Hero: checks
Alex_Djeikab: bets $29.91 and is all-in
Hero: calls $29.91

Showdown
Alex_Djeikab: shows 9sJs (a full house, Nines full of Jacks)
Hero: shows AhAc (two pair, Aces and Nines)
Alex_Djeikab collected $115.54 from pot

Summary
Total pot $117.04 | Rake $1.50
Board  9h2s9dTdJc
Seat 1: Cathulos (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: gfdangui (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Griff_nick (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Hero showed AhAc and lost with two pair, Aces and Nines
Seat 5: greentiger3 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: Alex_Djeikab showed 9sJs and won ($115.54) with a full house, Nines full of Jacks

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DragOn_   Canada. Feb 01 2015 22:17. Posts 214

fuuuuuck

400bb deep, what do i do? 4bet bigger?

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 Last edit: 01/02/2015 22:19

fira   United States. Feb 01 2015 22:48. Posts 6345

i would bet smaller on flop and turn. these types of boards favor villain's range, since we can never really have 9x or 22. also these boards are so dry that a $2.6 bet accomplishes the same thing as a $4.97 bet versus a hand like T8s


YoMeR   United States. Feb 02 2015 02:13. Posts 12435

NH wp. if he's flatting you with shit like J9o then we are going to be getting it in on almost 100% of boards after that 4b. we will be producing massive profits. I like pf sizing. and any sizing to get it bet/bet/shove over 3 streets is prob good.

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Mardagg   Germany. Feb 02 2015 05:41. Posts 843

definitely 4bet bigger this deep.
maybe check call,check call on turn/river this deep,if villain is aggro to let him float his air hands/low ppairs.
I like flop bet size on this board.


TalentedTom    Canada. Feb 02 2015 16:10. Posts 20070

turn is close

river is a extremley easy fold, J/T runout is the nut worst runout

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same 

TalentedTom    Canada. Feb 02 2015 16:12. Posts 20070


  On February 01 2015 21:48 fira wrote:
i would bet smaller on flop and turn. these types of boards favor villain's range, since we can never really have 9x or 22. also these boards are so dry that a $2.6 bet accomplishes the same thing as a $4.97 bet versus a hand like T8s



bigger bet wins more from bigger hands

def not the same thing

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same 

fira   United States. Feb 02 2015 17:10. Posts 6345


  On February 02 2015 15:12 TalentedTom wrote:
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bigger bet wins more from bigger hands

def not the same thing

the biggest hands are all held by villains range. i dont see any reason to bet big on such a dry board when our range is overpairs and AK and his is random 2 cards?


DragOn_   Canada. Feb 02 2015 19:33. Posts 214

I would bet big to get value from my AA which is supposed to be a nut hand in a 4bet pot, at least with 100bb stacks. The fact that he flatted me with a random drawing hand as bad as J9s makes me think my 4bet to stack ratio was too small and I should be 4betting bigger. If I made it something like $14 though, the 4bet to 3bet ratio is way too big, and hes unlikely to continue with anything other than AA himself. Although, if that is true then I could just bluff to 14$ with random hands...but it would need to work 90%+ of the time to be profitable, which seems unlikely in the long run (I think more than 10% of his or any typical UTG 3betting range is AA or some other hand he wants to continue with).

I want to get action from hands like KK/QQ/AK etc but it seems like I would scare them off with such a large 4bet. Alternatively if I 4bet like I did im giving him odds to call with random shit, so thats not too good. Im finding it hard to think of a situation in which id want to put in 400bb with AA without a 5bet or 6bet preflop. If villain is willing to also put in 400bb he must have a hand better than me right?


traxamillion   United States. Feb 02 2015 20:09. Posts 10468

It's fine guy just binked his trips. Yea I would bet flop smaller but that is debatable and you should just consider folding turn/riv.


TalentedTom    Canada. Feb 03 2015 22:36. Posts 20070


  On February 02 2015 16:10 fira wrote:
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the biggest hands are all held by villains range. i dont see any reason to bet big on such a dry board when our range is overpairs and AK and his is random 2 cards?



if you bet 50% pot on every street, you end up with 50% of stacks in at the end of the hand. In fact, unless you deviate greatly on the turn (80% pot or higher) its impossble to stack villian with 3 bets. His current flop bet size will stack JJ-KK by the river (assuming villian cant fold those hands)

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same 

fira   United States. Feb 04 2015 02:37. Posts 6345


  On February 03 2015 21:36 TalentedTom wrote:
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if you bet 50% pot on every street, you end up with 50% of stacks in at the end of the hand. In fact, unless you deviate greatly on the turn (80% pot or higher) its impossble to stack villian with 3 bets. His current flop bet size will stack JJ-KK by the river (assuming villian cant fold those hands)


this is true, but betting large makes it easy for other hands in his range that aren't JJ-KK. since there are no draws at all, a huge amount of hands in his range have close to zero equity against a strong hand like AA, and we'd be forcing all those hands out by betting large. we really want to play against a hand like QJ or A5s, which kinda has to call 1/3 but easily folds to 2/3. a bit of a way ahead/way behind situation imo

also, we become a lot more stackable by better hands when we bet large, which may be significant 400bb deep; like in this case, if villain had flatted turn, we would probably shove river, which is fine/standard, but villain will have 9x+ which he is never folding, and he'll also have weaker pairs which he may fold some of the time. it may not be the most profitable situation.

i think it also kinda depends on how villain will react to a large bet. a large bet on this board would be exploitatively effective against a player who is calling too often postflop with weak holdings.

 Last edit: 04/02/2015 02:39

 

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