PokerStars Zoom Hand #129034118041: Omaha Pot Limit ($2.50/$5.00) - 2015/01/21 13:27:00 JST [2015/01/20 23:27:00 ET]
Table Humason 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: TianYuan ($1157.18 in chips)
Seat 2: AlexKP ($1575.50 in chips)
Seat 3: InnInnPaPa ($2108.42 in chips)
Seat 4: marcianovix ($500 in chips)
Seat 5: Samanta81 ($1108.26 in chips)
Seat 6: vicdelucca ($1248.93 in chips)
AlexKP: posts small blind $2.50
InnInnPaPa: posts big blind $5
Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to TianYuan 
marcianovix: folds
Samanta81: folds
vicdelucca: raises $10 to $15
TianYuan: raises $37.50 to $52.50
AlexKP: calls $50
InnInnPaPa: folds
vicdelucca: raises $162.50 to $215
TianYuan: calls $162.50
AlexKP: calls $162.50
Flop(Odds) (Pot : $650.00)
AlexKP: checks
vicdelucca: checks
TianYuan: checks
Turn(Odds) (Pot : $650.00)
AlexKP: bets $246.29
vicdelucca: folds
TianYuan: calls $246.29
River (Pot : $1,142.58)
AlexKP: bets $748.75
TianYuan: calls $695.89 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($52.86) returned to AlexKP
Showdown
AlexKP: shows 
(a full house, Kings full of Jacks)
TianYuan: shows (four of a kind, Jacks)
TianYuan collected $2531.56 from pot
Summary
Total pot $2534.36 | Rake $2.80
Board
Seat 1: TianYuan (button) showed and won ($2531.56) with four of a kind, Jacks
Seat 2: AlexKP (small blind) showed and lost with a full house, Kings full of Jacks
Seat 3: InnInnPaPa (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: marcianovix folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: Samanta81 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: vicdelucca folded on the Turn
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Trav94 Canada. Jan 21 2015 00:38. Posts 1785 | | |
Would it be better for villain to x/c river? |
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TianYuan  Korea (South). Jan 21 2015 00:41. Posts 6817 | | |
I dont think so... I don't see a hand I'd jam the river with that I wouldn't call a shove with. Like I don't think I have any bluffs here? If I somehow had QJ of some description here, its not like I'm gonna turn it into a bluff I dont think.
Sort of a gross spot with like JT here. |
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| Hm.. Off-suite socks.. | Last edit: 21/01/2015 00:42 |
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Trav94 Canada. Jan 21 2015 01:02. Posts 1785 | | |
Well he has the 3rd nuts. I'm just wondering if you call with like KT/JT/AQ. But I guess you don't have AQ here, I can't see you checking back the flop 3 way with a flopped straight? I guess you only really have JT or KT on the river or quads? But do you call with JT/KT? |
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TianYuan Korea (South). Jan 21 2015 01:08. Posts 6817 | | |
I can't have KT either really... I'm not floating the turn with KT ;d
JJ and TT are such a super tiny part of my 3betting range (and that can then CALL the 4bet too) compared to how many KJ and JT combos it contains. I think this is just a horrrrrrrrible bad beat for him. |
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Trav94 Canada. Jan 21 2015 01:43. Posts 1785 | | | |
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What jacks or tens are you 3betting pre then folding to a 3bet? AkJJ, 910jj iono Man U really folding those or 3betting much worse jacks than that |
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Maybe like AQJJ, AKJJ with shit/no suitedness. Would JJ56ds 3bet/call, 3bet/fold, or not even 3b. An that hand is only slightly worse than ur own |
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TianYuan Korea (South). Jan 21 2015 08:14. Posts 6817 | | |
Well this deep its sort of true, but at 100 bb JJ55ss cant call a 4bet, for example. And anyway theres way less 3bettable JJ than JT or KJ combos in the first place. |
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TianYuan Korea (South). Jan 21 2015 10:05. Posts 6817 | | |
Very quick and rough:
Given 10% 3b range (pokerjuice 10% IP range), removing AA and hands that can't call 4bets, and with villains hand as dead cards we're looking at
94 combos of KJ!(JJ,TT,JT,AQ)
383 combos of JT!(JJ,TT,KJ,AQ)
60 combos of JJ!(KJ,TT,AQ,JT)
57 combos of TT!(KJ,JJ,AQ,JT)
So yeah, as long as I call JT some small % of the time (I think 6% of my JT hands need to call the shove) his shove will be called by as many worse hands as better ;d
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| Hm.. Off-suite socks.. | Last edit: 21/01/2015 10:05 |
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Jamie217 Canada. Jan 21 2015 12:06. Posts 4351 | | |
Do you really call JT here though? |
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TianYuan Korea (South). Jan 21 2015 12:29. Posts 6817 | | |
Im sure ive made significantly worse calls than that ;d |
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fira United States. Jan 21 2015 13:12. Posts 6345 | | |
hmm i find myself wanting to flat pre in these spots usually. how do you think that compares to 3bet? |
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Jamie217 Canada. Jan 21 2015 13:46. Posts 4351 | | |
| | On January 21 2015 12:12 fira wrote:
hmm i find myself wanting to flat pre in these spots usually. how do you think that compares to 3bet? |
Me too |
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TianYuan Korea (South). Jan 21 2015 19:31. Posts 6817 | | |
I think that's crazy, double paired double suited in position deep vs a loose and not great player, a hand that can even call 4bets at 100 bb... definite 3bet.
Also increases value of a set of 5s by decreasing chance it goes multiway. |
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fira United States. Jan 21 2015 20:03. Posts 6345 | | |
that makes sense. is it ever wise to 3bet fold pre in omaha? or should all of our 3bets be hands that can call 4bets? i imagine as IP we shouldn't be folding to 4bets often, if ever |
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TianYuan Korea (South). Jan 21 2015 21:19. Posts 6817 | | |
Average fold to 4b is something like 20% among 1/2 regs. The tigther 4bets are the more correct it si to fold more hands to the 4b obv |
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(well, twice)
