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u should fold preflop tbh its not really going to be profitable in the long run to open in these positions. opening to 3bbs preflop is better too. obv post flop is just kind of standard.

aight thanks

On December 24 2014 21:28 DooMeR wrote: u should fold preflop tbh its not really going to be profitable in the long run to open in these positions. opening to 3bbs preflop is better too. obv post flop is just kind of standard.

disagree it depends who is in the sb bb and btn if they are nits you can just minraise all day long

i keep saying its very player dependable but still people stick to certain opening and calling ranges.

long run has many variables in my opinion.

id say its under 5% the times that this will be a profitable open even for a minraise

i used to open this pre but now i don't, its FR and ur not even that close to the button. I also haven't seen 4x raising in years.

dirty beat postflop tho

The the reason I raised and made it 4x is because of the player that's what Im trying to say. I got history with him in which he folds to 80% cbets and hardly ever raises flop. So there's two factors I made the play, I didon't thought it would be horrible. BUT you guys might be right fold in the long run is better. Is not like I am going to do this play always but I like to mix it up. Don't like to do the same always.

well 4x doesnt go along with your read. 4x or 3x doesnt matter with the read you just used of him folding to 80% cbets.They dont relate to each other. the only difference it makes is that he might call LESS preflop. but then if hes calling tighter preflop he now has more hands to continue with postflop. unless you mean to say. he will play the same preflop and then lose more money postflop because he folds the same amount no matter what size you make.... so you intend to bloat the pot preflop so that he folds it away postflop. but really this isnt neccesary. Also there are 4 players behind you so you cant just focus on one player and decide 4x is the best against him and do it when there are still 3 other players in the hand. Vs the majority of people 3x is going to be better. no one really raises to 4x anymore at all. its kind of obsolete nowadays. it just risks too much for no added benefit. When 3betting became more popular people started to really bleed money. Its actually one of the specific reasons that made 3betting popular in the first place. Because raising a lot of the times became better than just flat calling. So really id just say never 4x. even if you find people dont 3bet much preflop at a given table theres no real benefit to it.

Also a side note with his fold to cbet stat of 80. thats good and all assuming you have a good sample size of hands to make it reliable (hopefully like 10+ atleast.) but this hand is really really garbage. most of the time you are going to flop almost no draws or backdoor draws that are useful. Which really hurts the amount you can cbet even vs someone this silly bad. There will be a decent amount of boards we cant really cbet profitably. So we do not win the pot 80% of the time it goes to the flop. We win it something roughly like 80% of the time we BET. which is probably going to be like 70% with a hand this bad at best. Now the other point is this is best case scneario that we get involved with the person you think is weak postflop and really straghtforward. When the Cutoff or button gets involved in the hand. Now we cbet even less often because we have to play out of position with really bad equity on a lot of boards. And what happens then is we often times have to fold away "ok" equity in really marginal spots just becuase there is no way to play it profitably. So we end up bleeding a lot even when we make hands. To put things in perspective I dont think it gets close to an open until about QJo. Maybe QTo without a real good read on people behind you and also if there is a big fish in the blinds that we really need to be playing with.