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Handnr: 1039387
Submitted by : LemOn[5thF]

PokerStars Hand #119743979630: Holdem No Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2014/08/06 15:23:36 CET [2014/08/06 9:23:36 ET]
Table Gomeisa 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: korsar1331 ($25 in chips)
Seat 3: DoC.LemOn ($25.29 in chips)
Seat 4: LichtVS ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: UShallGimme$ ($33.53 in chips)
Seat 6: cs5612 ($24.04 in chips)
DoC.LemOn: posts small blind $0.10
LichtVS: posts big blind $0.25

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to DoC.LemOn QcKh
UShallGimme$: folds
cs5612: folds
korsar1331: folds
DoC.LemOn: raises $0.50 to $0.75
LichtVS: calls $0.50

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $1.50)

   5hJcJd
DoC.LemOn: bets $1
LichtVS: calls $1

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $3.50)

   5hJcJd3c
DoC.LemOn: bets $2.50
LichtVS: calls $2.50

River (Pot : $8.50)

   5hJcJd3c7c
DoC.LemOn: bets $5.75
LichtVS: calls $5.75

Showdown
DoC.LemOn: shows QcKh (a pair of Jacks)
LichtVS: shows AdJh (three of a kind, Jacks)
LichtVS collected $19.10 from pot

Summary
Total pot $20 | Rake $0.90
Board  5hJcJd3c7c
Seat 2: korsar1331 (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: DoC.LemOn (small blind) showed QcKh and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 4: LichtVS (big blind) showed AdJh and won ($19.10) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 5: UShallGimme$ folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: cs5612 folded before Flop (didnt bet)

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Aug 06 2014 09:25. Posts 15163

I mean...nut blocker hand mandatory 3 barrel vs tight ish reg?
calls just like 30%

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93% Sure! Last edit: 06/08/2014 09:26

Mardagg   Germany. Aug 06 2014 10:25. Posts 843

river give up.
Most of these tight regs give up on the turn in my book,and you can only 3 barrel bluff a river scare card.
Also this board is generally really bad bad to tripple bluff because you have a hard time to make him fold any made hand here unless overbetting/shoving but then most Jx happily call and stack you.


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Aug 06 2014 10:39. Posts 15163

so you expect 66-TT to fold turn?

93% Sure! Last edit: 06/08/2014 10:39

TalentedTom    Canada. Aug 06 2014 10:43. Posts 20070

this is extremley bad

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traxamillion   United States. Aug 06 2014 11:27. Posts 10468

I'm with mardagg and tom. This board is so static and your are trying to make him fold made hands where any Jx is a large part of his range and even worse hands he may never be folding.


traxamillion   United States. Aug 06 2014 11:39. Posts 10468

Your blockers aren't even super strong here, you reduce QJ/KJ combos by 25%. He still has full combos of AJ, JJ (may3b and 1 combo not super relevant), 10J, 9J,8J, 7Js. He is in position in the bb he is going to flat pre very wide. Blockers are important but they aren't the end all and shouldn't be the difference here between c/f flop/turn or a 3barell. Careful not to overvalue them.


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Aug 06 2014 11:50. Posts 15163

Yeah like so we never bluff the river? oO

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Aug 06 2014 11:52. Posts 15163

Like fuck if I know how many streets he call with pairs - dunno if he folds too much or too little so I just set up a range that has some bluffs in it when I have so many Jx and he does seem tight.
And fill that range with best barreling hands - there's none better that KQ, the Qc blocks backdoor fds too. I don't bluff this just cause KQ has blockers, but cause there's no better hands to barrel than this one and I wanna have some bluffs.

I guess you guys are saying this board should be 100% value bet never bluffed even when he seems tight. I dunno thought theres enough hands other than Jx he gets to river with

93% Sure! Last edit: 06/08/2014 12:00

traxamillion   United States. Aug 06 2014 12:00. Posts 10468

well if anything I would probably play your hand for value and try to get it to showdown; you are ahead of much of his range on the flop. If I were to bluff this board it would be with pure air.


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Aug 06 2014 12:04. Posts 15163

so you say bluffing at all is bad
but then say bluff with air instead of blockers

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Daut    United States. Aug 06 2014 12:44. Posts 8955

well you played preflop fine.

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

Santafairy   Korea (South). Aug 06 2014 14:31. Posts 2224

this would have worked out better if you really had backdoor clubs

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Gnarly   United States. Aug 06 2014 14:44. Posts 1723

i'd make it 1.5 for the flop, but if he called, i'd slow the fuck down and probably fold to any bet because im thinkin he's either got the J, he's got a PP, or he doesn't believe my bet and thinks his ace high is good. with pure air, however, that's a different story.

Diversify or fossilize! 

mnj   United States. Aug 06 2014 14:59. Posts 3848

i think you're focusing too much on random things you've learned that doesn't really apply to this hand.

just try and forget what you're holding for a second and think about what you would do in his shoes. would you fold a 5x sb v bb to a 3 barrel? why or why not? once u think this out you can keep 3 barreling, double barrel or single barrel etc.


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Aug 06 2014 15:11. Posts 15163

Yeah I expected him to fold 5x, pocket pairs by the river
Im wrong since everyone disagrees with ofc
I'm not in his shoes cause Im not a nit fuck if I know how they think

93% Sure! Last edit: 06/08/2014 16:06

Eluflop   Estonia. Aug 06 2014 17:46. Posts 3835

blind vs blind ....


Mardagg   Germany. Aug 06 2014 21:51. Posts 843

Nits can be pretty big stations if they perceive you as aggressive.
So,actually ,its not impotant what you think of him,its important what he thinks of you.
You can,basically ,just give up on the flop if he is a nit that folds too much to raises from SB in the BB.
You simply make good money this way already,and can therefore give up on dry boards like this which are tough to bluff.

If you decide however to cbet the flop and get called,you could very much give up on this turn and only continue betting any Q,K,A on the turn. He will most likely not fold 5x on this turn,as well as most ppairs.He might fold 22,44 and Ax himself though which is at least something ...so the turn barrell isnt completely wrong.

But then,since he called your turn bet, this is almost the worst river card to continue barrelling because he might got to the runner flush himself now and because he still wont fold 5x,66,77(obiously),88,99,TT,Jx to your bet...to sum it up: all his hands calling your turn bet will call you on the river if he thinks you are rather aggressive.
You can bet Ace rivers with decent fold equity,and obiously Q/K rivers and thats about it.


dogmeat   Czech Republic. Aug 07 2014 04:32. Posts 6374

i like it

ban baal 

drone666   Brasil. Aug 07 2014 21:12. Posts 1821

I also like it and people who posted saying it's bad didnt give any argument to why is bad

Dont listen to anything I say 

dogmeat   Czech Republic. Aug 07 2014 22:50. Posts 6374

its good in theory but probably really bad in a typical nl25 game, thats probably what haters are trying to say

ban baal 

 

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