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Handnr: 1036106
Submitted by : DragOn_

PokerStars Zoom Hand #116988518095: Holdem No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2014/06/01 16:15:34 MT [2014/06/01 18:15:34 ET]
Table Hyakutake 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: omyah1 ($32.51 in chips)
Seat 2: Maika1977 ($3.94 in chips)
Seat 3: Serega011976 ($18.10 in chips)
Seat 4: jokei175 ($8.56 in chips)
Seat 5: Crocodil750 ($5 in chips)
Seat 6: Rapsody22222 ($8.09 in chips)
Seat 7: Hero ($22.45 in chips)
Seat 8: bunPhishUK ($5.07 in chips)
Seat 9: FBD856363 ($4.35 in chips)
Maika1977: posts small blind $0.02
Serega011976: posts big blind $0.05

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero AcAh
jokei175: folds
Crocodil750: folds
Rapsody22222: raises $0.05 to $0.10
Hero: raises $0.20 to $0.30
bunPhishUK: folds
FBD856363: folds
omyah1: folds
Maika1977: folds
Serega011976: folds
Rapsody22222: calls $0.20

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $0.67)

   Qc2d6c
Rapsody22222: checks
Hero: bets $0.42
Rapsody22222: calls $0.42

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $1.51)

   Qc2d6c4c
Rapsody22222: checks
Hero: bets $0.96
Rapsody22222: calls $0.96

River (Pot : $3.43)

   Qc2d6c4c4h
Rapsody22222: checks
Hero: checks

Showdown
Rapsody22222: shows 6d6s (a full house, Sixes full of Fours)
Hero: mucks hand
Rapsody22222 collected $3.29 from pot

Summary
Total pot $3.43 | Rake $0.14
Board  Qc2d6c4c4h
Seat 1: omyah1 (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: Maika1977 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Serega011976 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: jokei175 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: Crocodil750 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: Rapsody22222 showed 6d6s and won ($3.29) with a full house, Sixes full of Fours
Seat 7: Hero mucked AcAh
Seat 8: bunPhishUK folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 9: FBD856363 folded before Flop (didnt bet)

isnt it bad to call 3bet with low pairs ..? should I bet4x or 4.5x to discourage them from calling after a minbet, (which seems to indicate a pocket pairs at least at the micro stakes)?

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Point88   United States. Jun 01 2014 20:26. Posts 61

You should 3bet more PF, but either way river is misplayed imo. If you bet turn you have to bet river. All of his Qx hands are calling. Probably can B/F river.

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DragOn_   Canada. Jun 01 2014 20:42. Posts 214

whats B/F? So I should ignore the (strong imo) possibility of a set and keep going? Ive lost about 1000bbs today in similar situations to sets, I think i must be playing badly against them somehow

youre saying I should bet the river bcuz its the same card as the turn and doesnt change the situation? Should I have checked @ the turn then, suspecting a set? I was pretty sure of a set after both flop and turn were check/raised, also given his minbet opening and call instead of 4bet

 Last edit: 01/06/2014 20:45

Point88   United States. Jun 01 2014 20:54. Posts 61

B/F = Bet/fold. Bet and then fold if you are raised.

What leads you to believe that he has a set? The fact that he check/called two barrels? That's what almost any Qx hand is going to do in his situation.

I can't speak for the other hands you've lost today. But in this hand, though the possibility of a set is there, it's not as likely as Qx and flush draws. His range on this flop has a lot more Qx hands and flush draws than 22 and 66. It is unlucky that you lost, but on boards like this you have to bet, bet, bet. If you were to play this hand 100 times, this is the right play. You can fold river if you are raised, but betting will get you more value from queens.

You can't be afraid to lose money to sets. This flop is an awesome flop for AA. If he has a set, so be it, you're going to lose money. In the long run, you will make more by betting all 3 streets. You are actually losing money in the long run by checking the river because that is money you aren't getting out of his Qx type hands.


DragOn_   Canada. Jun 01 2014 21:46. Posts 214

what Qx hands would call a 3bet though..QA and maybe KQ? Assuming he 4bets KK QQ, he could have any pair under those, AK, maybe AJ, AT? Im worried if he has 22 or 66 vs QA, KQ, AK, AJ and all other pairs. I suppose the odds are in favor of betting more lol.

Seeing him check/call 2x in a row though indicates to me that he knows he has a strong hand. If he was drawing for a flush Id have thought hed bet first for fold equity, and folded at least at the turn with all sub queen pairs, and the Ax hands that arent AQ. I suppose he could check/call with AQ, but with KQ i would bet to protect my hand from aces. So that narrows it down to 22/66, AQ or the flush, and although 22 and 66 are less common than AQ, I also noticed his minbet which I doubt hed do with AQ. It seemed very unlikely that I had a winning hand at that point. Thats my thought process anyway, am I making any mistakes?

did my opponent make any mistakes playing his hand? are u supposed to call 3bets with low pairs..

thnx for the advice so far, im pretty new to poker and can use all the knowledge i can get


Point88   United States. Jun 01 2014 22:35. Posts 61

This is NL5, so it's pretty fair to assume any queen, really. I mean, if you've been playing with him a while and have noticed him being super nitty, you can narrow his range, but I'd give him just about any suited queen here. Definitely Q7suited - AQ, at the very least. Your 3bet isn't very big, he's never going to fold any hand for 4 more bbs. 88-TT are also sometimes in his range, maybe jacks too.

If I were villain and I had a flush draw, I would c/c flop for sure. You're the aggressor in the pot, he's expecting you to bet. At NL5, don't expect people to fold top pair. He's hardly ever folding QT or QJ on the turn.

IMO, villain should have raised flop. There's a flush draw and it's likely you are betting Qx or better. He should have raised flop and you should have happily jammed your money in because this is an awesome flop for aces.

I wouldn't try to analyze what a player's min bet means preflop at NL5, fwiw.

Overall, you're over-thinking. This is a great spot for aces, you should be happy to bet all three streets. If he wants to get it in on the flop, you should be happy. You'll run into sets now and then, but at NL5, this flop + aces is basically the nuts.


Point88   United States. Jun 01 2014 23:52. Posts 61

In regards to your edit, yes - if you're betting the turn it's because you think you have the best hand and you're trying to get value from it. If that's true, then the river is a mandatory bet because it changes nothing.

I think betting or checking turn is fine either way, but I prefer to bet because you have the Ac and have outs to the nut flush. I still think at this limit betting is more profitable than checking. People can't lay down top pair here. He's not laying down AQ or KQ for a 2/3rd bet, unless he's a super nit. Checking probably results in less variance, but i think it's less profitable, especially at NL5.

I don't know what you're referring to when you say you get checkraised. He check/called you flop and turn. Really no indication of a set imo. If you've been running into sets on similar flops, you may just be shell-shocked, but getting the money in on this board is still the right play. Some days you just run bad.


Mardagg   Germany. Jun 02 2014 05:16. Posts 843

bet river.
Lots of Qx or even 88-JJ type of hands might call you here thinking you played AcKx this way,
You are losing a ton of equity in the longterm by checking back here,losing only to a small part of his range,unless you have a clear read about this guy.


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Jun 02 2014 05:55. Posts 15163

bigger pre
dont missclick river next time

93% Sure!  

dnagardi   Hungary. Jun 02 2014 08:34. Posts 1776

bet more turn, bomb river

dont be result oriented


DragOn_   Canada. Jun 02 2014 15:57. Posts 214

OK, should I be betting all 3 streets even if I had made a bigger PF raise such as 45c instead of 30? If I did should villian still be calling me with any pair or is that a bad move on his part and he only did it (or should only do it) because of the too small 3bet?

was my 3bet too small because it was 3x the minraise and should be 3x a standard bet of 3x the BB, or is 3x any 2bet too small?

 Last edit: 02/06/2014 16:04

 

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